howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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First time that I can remember the public supporting a public sector strike.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34775980Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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so they should.
Reginald Barrington
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I would support them if it wasn't down to greed, the majority will get a pay rise for the same hours, those who are milking the overtime system (incidentally endangering patients through potential fatigue) will have a reduction in pay,1% of them according to the article.
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I wouldn't pay too much heed to the sleight of hand comments from the Government, only a few months back when they were stopping working tax credits they claimed that people would be no worse off despite all independent sources proving that all workers would be £20 a week worse off. The only reason they changed their mind was pressure from their own MP's in marginal seats.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I have little sympathy with a doctor (tv interview) whose reason for striking was the fact he would have to work weekends and would miss some family life, not once did he mention money or extra working hours simply he did not want to work more weekends.
I am beginning to believe this is simply the BMA playing misguided politics, maybe not with peoples lives but certainly with their needs, they are putting themselves before their patients.
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Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
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I agree Jan. Working on Saturday cannot be considered antisocial hours. He was complaining that he might have to work 24 Saturdays. a year. I am sure he expects shops and other services to be available to him on Saturdays and Sundays and most of those serving him will be working every weekend day throughout the year. Few workers in the private sector get extra pay for Saturday working. A few do get special rates on Sundays but that is gradually disappearing as new staff are recruited.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I didn't see the interview but it does seem that they selected a right pillock to put across a case if he simply doesn't want to work on a Saturday. Despite that people that have done the sums say that it is a wage cut for most which anyone would put up a fight against. The other issue is one of long hours for junior doctors which seem to entail 70 hour weeks for as long as I can remember, this does not go hand in hand with patient safety.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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This particular doctor was one of the few that did not come across as a union representative, the rest were almost spouting from the same script.
The more I listen to these strikers the less I support them.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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All out strike today and tomorrow with A & E affected which must lose them a lot of public support.
Terry Nunn
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Amazon have two books for sale both allegedly by Jeremy Hunt. One is called "All I Know About Healthcare" and the other "All I Know About Nursing". Both are full of blank pages!
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I have completely lost sympathy with the doctors as I now think this is the BMA simply being political and stirring up unnecessary trouble.
Where are the registrars strangely I have only seen very young doctors on the picket lines, why is that I wonder, BMA policy perhaps.
Another thing is why are these strikers called Junior Doctors when it is all doctors except consultants involved?
How many lives are being shortened because patients are not being seen and treated because their doctor is on strike, so much for the Hippocratic Oath.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I read somewhere that all doctors are classed as junior unless they are consultants, good news for those visiting A & E today and tomorrow who will be seen by the top brass.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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they are getting a 13%pay rise that is more then any of working class have ever had and work up till 1700hrs on Saturday before coming on to a overtime rate of pay shop workers have been doing that for years and over the seven days of the week.Drs have been saying that they need to do less hrs and I understand that ,but they are saying that by doing that they will get lose out.
But you cannot have it both ways if you do less hrs then your wages will drop that is the same for all of us ,but to help them get over that that they will be getting that 13%pay rise.So all in all I think it is not a bad deal.
But they could do is work to rule always a better way then a walk out.
Reginald Barrington, Just Sioux, Guest 698 and
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The two day strike is now over and surprisingly the public support for the doctors is higher than before the strike. I would suspect that the generally unpopular Jeremy Hunt boosted their cause.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think the medics are pushing their luck now I can't see them getting the support of the general public this time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37241267Captain Haddock
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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So much for the Hippocratic Oath, obligation to their patients obviously no longer exists (see definition). I lost sympathy with them prior to their last strike.
"an oath stating the obligations and proper conduct of doctors, formerly taken by those beginning medical practice. Parts of the oath are still used in some medical schools."
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
Oh dear so trying to protect your employment and ensuring that you have safe working conditions and practices whilst also trying to ensure that there is adequate cover for your patients is somehow wrong?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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How simplistic this dispute is mainly about getting enhanced rates of pay for weekend working, what would happen if pub and restaurant staff took that attitude?
Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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Ross Miller's post is not simplistic at all. To liken a highly trained Junior Doctor, to pub and restaurant staff, is a more simplistic stance.
Our Health Care and its professional staff, should not be political. Jeremy Hunt has shown an arrogant approach to this situation from the beginning. I have work alongside Junior Doctors and can confidently say they are worth their weight in gold and more.
To have to grovel and beg from manipulative politicians to achieve decent working conditions and pay is a disgrace.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"