Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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This will not be for small companies Howard.
GaryC - of course, insurance against unemployment for instance, along with income protection for ill health and life assurance are all essential and offer better protection than State benefits. Incidentally, I am a primarily investment adviser not an insurance salesman in case you don't know.
But you ignore the real point I am making.
This is not about less job security but more job security and more income.
True job security will only come from a strong economy and plenty of jobs to go around with wage competition driving up incomes. That is what a healthy economy is all about.
Old fashioned job protection merely creates a closed shop of I am all right Jack. Keeping things comfy (at least in theory) for those already in work. But it is all delusionary.
Open your mind Gary, get away from the old 60's, 70's and even 80's ideas that have been so damaging to the economy, jobs and incomes. Difficult times mean we must try something different and get away from those dated ideas that so fail people.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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People forget that an employee's right reflects somebody else's obligation to them; there are no free lunches, there is always a cost to be met. This initiative will not help the smallest employers because they tend not to be limited companies and therefore cannot issue shares. Even incorporating a small business and putting in place the mechanism to issue shares to staff will be beyond the means of the majority of small traders. Additionally the shares of many such businesses will be of limited value in any case; so I really don't see who this will help except businesses like Tesco and Wetherspoons, who are well placed to honour their obligations under present laws.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
"But you ignore the real point I am making"
You know full well what insurance I was referring to.
Insurance against unscrupulous employers.
And it is beyond me why you tell me
"Open your mind Gary, get away from the old 60's, 70's and even 80's ideas that have been so damaging to the economy, jobs and incomes"
When I have clearly stated, too many times to count now, that I have agreed with you, on that very subject.
You really do have double standards.
" if you read what was actually written",
"but at least you should listen and try to understand those who do know what they are talking about say"
"just ignores what those who know explain quite patiently"
All the above are post's from you and you should practice what you preach.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - It does get very tiresome engaging on this forum with you. I really wonder why time after time you turn a debate into a silly personal attack on me.
Once again you simply do not grasp or refuse to grasp what I am saying and misinterpret and distort what I am saying.
A total waste of time.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Barry, GaryC is an intelligent, reasonable, rational human being and you are doing him a grave dis-service. Gary, you also seem to have given up on trying to understand Barry's position and that is a shame. What a lot of good you could both do if you got together and pooled your ideas and energy.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Peter - I posted in respect of his forum postings to me. You may be right about him but that does not come across here.
Guest 766- Registered: 7 Aug 2012
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So Barry, people should sign away their T&C's so we create more jobs for others. Those T&C's should be available for all staff, there not big issues. You'd make a great MP Barry......a Tory one !!
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 26......`You may be right about him....``but that does not come here`` `
Interesting point..........suck it and see.....
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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26, Barry, your very considerable list of virtues and your contribution to society often do not come across in your postings either. So likewise, people can only judge you based on what you post on here.
Time I shut up.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 is spot on, we all should listen clearly to what other members say.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Yes Howard, and it helps if we know where people are coming from, in order to put their remarks into perspective. If we don't, we should suspend our judgment until we do.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
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Peter #29, that last sentence about posting is so true about judging people on what they write, I would also add how they post and whether you can understand what on earth they are talking about.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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And whether they go on and on and on recycling the same dogma over and over and over again......
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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My late brother worked at Land Rover (his only employer) for 45 years and was it's senior union rep. Not once in all those years did he feel the need to call for industrial action, believing negotiation was preferential to confrontation.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sensible management will always listen to the workforce, at the end of the day both sides want a successful business.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#34 is the norm, very few employees want to go on strike and even when they are pushed into it, which is more likely to be by their employer rather than by their union, they still would prefer not to be on strike.
#35 Agree.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"