howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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not received any leaflets yet, had a visit from the reds the other evening but i was having my dinner at the time and didn't answer the door.
when i looked out after there were all 3 candidates for the ward and at least 4 others, they obvioulsy mean business.
this is a vital ward regarding control of the council.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
yes howard, im sure priory maxton and elms vale is one of many margnal wards that you will see many parties involved in and see a lot of
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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blimey
just had a labour leafle through the door
looks like things are hotting up
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, many people would be happy if the Government did much more to implement their intentions to reverse the situation which Labour got Britain into.
Labour was a disaster. Dover is still haunted by a Labour-government decision to double the size of Dover's population (and that of other Kentish localities) by parliamental decree.
The masses of people - including the local MP - hope and are confident that such edict will fail. We want our future cared for, and want to conserve our natural right to have councillors who care for Dover's people and also create the basis to resolve our local economic problems (unemployment) as far as this is possible for local authorities to do.
Labour has packed off whole factories from Britain, and created a situation that makes it extremely hard for us people to cope (work-agency criteria). The effects are seen locally, in Dover and all over England.
The Government has to undo Labour's disaster-policies that have ruined the national economy and the individual economic situation of many people.
It is extremely unlikely that the masses of people will vote Labour back in.
Labour council-candidates seem to see the potential in "Labour areas" and "Labour people".
Most people want to see our community as "Dover's people" and not as a politicised mass of red-flag waving party followers.
I predict common sense will prevail and Labour will fail!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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must be a record there alex, you have used the words "labour" ten times in one post.
out of interest how did they pack off whole factories from britain?
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
howard,it was a labour of love.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The answer is quite simple, Howard: see where most manufactured products sold in Britain are made. When I went to school, almost all items were made in Britain.
Now most things are made in the Far East.
Technolgy: of British origin, stemming from tax-payers' funded universitiesin Britain.
Reason for production transfer: cheap labour at 0.55 pence an hour (or similar).
Result: 5 million people on out-of-work benefits.
Now everyone knows this!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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New Labour was the wrong term used by T. Blair. It should be: cheap labour!
That's one reason why our economy went the way it did!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
manuacturing went east about 3 decades ago, we have had various governments since then, mainly of the blue variety.
your obsessing about the reds must be linked to some facts please.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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A fact is, that Labour has done at least half of the three decades of government you mentioned.
The manufacturing transfer en masse did not all come about in one day three decades ago, but progressively.
Now please explain to me why that party is called "Labour"?
One wouldn't have expected the "party of the workers" to go along with that!
What that party did was the total opposite of what they claimed to stand for.
I thought that the five million people on out-of-work benefits was a fact, and that the fact that almost every manufactured product sold in Britain is made in the Far East is a fact, and perhaps let's add to that 900 billion pounds national debt.
Surely that party has at least half of all this to answer for!
At least the Tories have realised that change must be made, as the PM also noted today in his speach on mass immigration.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
the reds have done a bit less than half of the the last 30 years in charge i believe.
the number of people on out of work benefits has steadily risen under each administration.
with regard to cheap imports are you suggesting that we set a wage rate of 90 pence an hour here in order to get manufacturing back?
the truth of the matter is that companies in the west have to compete on high tech stuff and service industries like banking and insurance.
once people in the far east get bored with low wages then countries like brazil with a massive population will take over the sweat shops.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Alex
As usual I have to disagree with your posting, but our main export partners are
United States 14.71%,
Germany 11.06%,
France 8%,
Netherlands 7.79%,
Ireland 6.89%,
Belgium 4.65%,
Spain 4% (2009)
The cost of Imports $546.5 billion (2010 est.) with the main
import goods being manufactured goods, machinery, fuels; foodstuffs
Our main import partners are
Germany 12.87%,
United States 9.74%,
China 8.88%,
Netherlands 6.94%,
France 6.64%,
Belgium 4.86%,
Norway 4.84%,
Ireland 4.01%,
Italy 3.99% (2010 est)
With regard to Blair you may wish to take into consideration that during Blair's 10 years in office there were 40 successive quarters of economic growth, lasting until the second quarter of 2008.
Please get your facts right.
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well done marek you have said it all
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thanks Keith and although I am willing to listen to reasoned arguments what I am not prepared to do is have the facts ,available for all to read, misquoted or in Alexs case totally ignored. Sorry Alex.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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mmmm not going into it too much but Marek in #32
That period of growth was of course at first based on the golden legacy left by Ken Clarke and was later sustained by Blair/Brown by what two journalists (Guardianistas amazingly...) called a 'Fantasy Island Economy' built on an unsustainable debt bubble that they correctly predicted would burst. we are now paying the price for living beyond our means in the 'good' years....
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Marek, what about the trade deficit? Britain has a constant trade-deficit that drains the economy.
As for the consecutive quarters of economic growth, this did not prevent many individual people and families in Britain from bankruptcy due to economic strain.
Labour, traditionally, would be interpreted as the party of the workers par exellence, but the extremely high unemployment rate was allowed to go unchecked, and the cheap-labour policies flourished under that party.
These last two facts seem to be by-passed in your post, even though I mentioned them previous to your reply, as well as the totally unaccetable national debt, which has an awful effect on the budget, as this has to be geared up so as to repay the debt with the interest. Labour responded to the problem by simply increasing the debt.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Howard, to give an indirect reply to your post 31, free trade and commerce does not exist when the disparity between national average salary between trading partners (calculated in any one currency as common denominator) is disproportionate.
The difference between the minimum £5.93 an hour here and the .53 an hour in China (or is it less?) is completely absurd.
Prosperity will embrace Britain when - among others - the free trade and commerce aspect is resolved. I have been working on this.
One day the textile industry will return to Britain, no matter what China or Brasil do or don't do. And many other sectors of production will return.
Meanwhile, Gov. should continue along the lines of reducing military spending, as Britain needs to be cured of this malady of constantly new and expensive high-tech war machinery.
I'm happy to note here that Gov. recently decided not to review arms-spending, leaving Labour opposition gaping. There are some good reasons why I support the Government in some preliminary reforms being taken.
One day Prosperity will rise over Britain and shine, the Union Flag Flying High!
