Keith Sansum1
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On todays news it has been reported a G.P. will be assisting a 91 year old to switzerland to assist in her suicide.
it appears this doctor has already gone down this route 3 times before without prosecution.
the doctor is quite open with his actions and happy to talk to the police.
it's still early doors on this issue on whether or not to give doctors the right to assist in such suicides.
it could open the floodgates, but also doctors could use it as an easy way out
but also should they have the power to make such decisions?>?
looks like this is another issue that will go on and on
what's your view?
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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1. My religious beliefs disagree with assisted suicides.
2. It's against UK law.
3. The Doctor would appear to be acting contrary to his hypocractic oath.
4. I fear it could lead to abuse by both Doctors and relatives.
So bearing the above in mind I think the disadvantages greatly outweigh the advantages.
Marek
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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From what I heard it is the old lady's decision, not the doctor's. If people are of sound mind but cannot face life with a useless body I do not have a problem with elective suicide. I think I would probably choose that route if it came to that.
I do have a problem where doctors and/or relatives make the decision, and where people are making money out of it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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still goes against what doctors stand for although i can see why the man is helping in this case.
always mystifies me why doctors are involved in lethal injection executions in the states.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The Hippocratic oath is much misquoted and much misunderstood.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Assisted suicide seems to me to be the other side of the cure-all coin of our modern pharmaceutical culture. Hardly a day goes by without another breakthrough being announced; a possible cure for some fell disease or a treatment to prolong life 'indefinitely'.
As far as doctors taking matters into their own hands goes, while it is not to be encouraged it has been common enough over the years. With some fair and some unfair results.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Jan Higgins
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I believe in assisted suicide and wish that was my doctor, he obviously listens to his patients and hears what they say. I am sorry but I do not believe that we should have to live until we are 100 if for whatever reason we do not want to.
Having said that it is not up to a family member or anyone else to say when we should die that is only the patient's right.
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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TO RECKON all who have taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents and in the same spirit and dedication to impart a knowledge of the art of medicine to others. I will continue with diligence to keep abreast of advances in medicine. I will treat without exception all who seek my ministrations, so long as the treatment of others is not compromised thereby, and I will seek the counsel of particularly skilled physicians where indicated for the benefit of my patient.
I WILL FOLLOW that method of treatment which according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor administer a lethal dose of medicine to any patient even if asked nor counsel any such thing nor perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.
WITH PURITY, HOLINESS AND BENEFICENCE I will pass my life and practice my art. Except for the prudent correction of an imminent danger, I will neither treat any patient nor carry out any research on any human being without the valid informed consent of the subject or the appropriate legal protector thereof, understanding that research must have as its purpose the furtherance of the health of that individual. Into whatever patient setting I enter, I will go for the benefit of the sick and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief or corruption and further from the seduction of any patient.
WHATEVER IN CONNECTION with my professional practice or not in connection with it I may see or hear in the lives of my patients which ought not be spoken abroad, I will not divulge, reckoning that all such should be kept secret.
WHILE I CONTINUE to keep this Oath unviolated may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art and science of medicine with the blessing of the Almighty and respected by my peers and society, but should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse by my lot
Peter to which part of the oath were you referring to as misundestood and misquoted?
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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a debate that will run for some time to come
and divided opinion on here to
anyone else?
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 3 Agree.
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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Someone I love very much is paralysed from the neck down, blind and As of this year cannot eat or drink. She is still very much of sound mind and I believe still has an excellent quality of life. I wish I had her strength to carry on. However we have discussd this subject and should the pain get so bad this route may be an option. It's a shame that we cannot say to our doctors "right, at this stage I want to go". If you are of sound mind why can you not make your own decision. She is religious but until we experience the pain she sometimes goes through I don't k ow if we can judge what we would do.
As for a doctor, good on him. It must be awful to ask your family to accompany you on such a journey as selfishly we all wait for a miracle. Someone like a doctor who knows you would be nice. I don't see how it's wrong for him as he gains nothing from the experience. Perhaps until it becomes legal here, and I suspect it will one day, he should be careful of what he is doing.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I believe it is all a matter of choice, some will have the strength of character to carry on others will say enough I can take no more. I simply think we should all have the choice to choose and there will always be those against the idea.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yep posts 3, 6 and 12 hav hit the nail on the head
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Brian Dixon
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an old well told non story that gets on every ones wick.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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If people are of sound mind to make their own decision and the pain or medical condition means they have no quality of life then they should be able to say I want to die and doctors should be able to assit.
In some cases where a family member is not of sound mind and their condition is so painful, then the next of kin should be able to make the decision as long as the doctors are certain about the decision being made is for relief of the patient.
I sat for nearly three days at Buckland hospital and watched my mother who I loved dearly, die in absolute agony. She was in so much pain and was so drugged up to try ease that pain, that she could never have made any decision. I am still not sure I could have made such a decision for her had I been allowed to, but it made me understand why people should have the right to say good bye with dignity.
I have religious views, but I cannot see why any Religion or State should say it is right for a person to go on suffering in AGONY day after day with no quality of life. Those that do in my opinion have never watched another human being die this way.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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HARRY;
I think it is a difficult one
i watched my dad die often in pain
but would my mum have let him go i realy dont know
it is one of those dilema's and if it ever becomes a way forward it would need strict control
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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When our son qualified as doctor at Bristol Uni he had the CHOICE of whether to take the Hippocratic Oath or not (he did).
I believe you also have the choice, when a doctor, whether or not you deal with abortions.
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Guest 657- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to this. It's what we believe is best for us as an individual based on our illness, faith, quality of life and previous experience with our loved ones. God forbid I had something horrible I am not brave; I would want to depart quickly, quietly and with dignity. I nearly died last year and it certainly hasn't altered my opinion on this.
The only thing that would concern me is if anyone helped me to arrange for my travel to a clinic or accompanied me, that they would be charged with assisting a suicide and that I couldn't live (or die) with.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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jeane
i think your right
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Jeane
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