Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Today I investigated in Western Dover to see whether the DDC planning site notifications to develop building estates on the White Cliffs of Dover were covering an area in Dover for residents to see.
The following results became visible:
No planning site notification is anywhere to be seen in Malvern Road, Clarendon Road, Clarendon Place, Clarendon Street, Westbury Crescent, Westbury Road, Longfield Road, North Street, Underdown Road, Shakespeare Road, Hardwicke Road, Manor Rise, Maxton Road, Churchill Road.
Belgrave Road had two planning site notices, one at the top, the other along the middle of the road. I saw one planning site notice along Folkestone Road, but have still not checked out all Folkestone Road.
Mount Road and Farthingloe Road each had one planning site notice at the very end of the road, where the houses END and the green starts.
I inquired from two local residents living at the end of Mount Road about the planning site notice. They were very unhappy about the plans to build estates on Western Heights and at Farthingloe, informed me that only the people living at the end of Mount Street, near to where the notice was placed, know of these plans, and are ALL against them.
They told me that only people taking their dog for a walk towards the foot path at the end of Mount Street would see the planning site notice, as no-one else from the neighbourhood would pass there.
They informed me that the people living further down Mount Road are unaware of the planning projects, and that in the neighbouring roads (as I certified personally), there was only one other planning site notice (Farthingloe Road), this too at the very end of the road where the green starts, and that all the other roads had no planning site notification.
These two local residents asked me to do leafleting in the area to inform the people, suggesting each leaflet should have a return postage slip for address and signature, so they can protest against the planned building estates.
Yesterday I investigated along Military Road, and found that the whole road is void of any planning site notification from York Street all the way to Braddon, where the first planning site notification can be seen just at the right turn to Citadel Road.
Cowgate Hill, Adrian Street., Durham Close, Lancaster Road and all the other roads in this area have no planning site notification. They are all on Western Heights!
This looks like a gigantic cover-up operation on the part of DDC Planning, and it is clear that Dover residents who are aware of these urbanisation schemes are unhappy about the plans to sell land on the White Cliffs of Dover to developers, and are unhappy about the local DDC government ways of keeping the masses of local people unaware of these plans.
In fact, the local residents with whom I spoke in Mount Street told me so, stating that this was the same view of all the residents in that part of their street.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
alex
there was a heavily promoted public exhibition, mass coverage in the local press of the plans and has also been mentioned on here, should someone not know it would be because they don't particularly care.
you are simply wrong about mount street, i know a few people who live there and it has been discussed widely.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#3
You have far too much time on your hands Alexander....
Been nice knowing you :)
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#4
Such a cover-up that all of those who read this and the other forum plus those who read the local papers know about it.
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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#5
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#6
Alexander - if you are stating the 'facts' to residents like you are stating them here - no wonder they are up in arms !!
As mentioned elsewhere (why have you started another thread
) the only land that I believe MAY be sold is the site of the hotel. Everything else on Farthingloe and the Heights is ALREADY owned by CGI....
I also suggest you investigate planning laws before you throw get more allegations again !
You are doing your cause no favours.....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#7
A quick 'Google' around planning laws SEEM to indicate that there is a 20 metre rule or 90 metre rule around the distance that neighour notification is required away from a planned development, and anything more is at the discretion of the authorities
As there is a huge natural 'buffer' around both the Heights and Farthingloe developments which is well above the 90 metres, I suspect that the council is doing more than their statutory requirement
As Howards, Chris and Jan have pointed out there has been a large amount of publicity about this locally and even someone hasn't seen paper, it has been on newspaper noticeboards and if people are truely that worried about it they would have told their neighbours ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#8
alexander
it appears you have got it wrong me old china
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#9
It's going to Happen Alexander!.
Mainly because these people have there harts set on housing.
Its easy planning, they do not have to think or work to pick up there publicly funded befits wage packets and perks.
Instead of a balance between housing and indigenes jobs creation, to sustain the people they should be serving.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#10
Keith Bibby, it won't happen!
The people I spoke to in Mount Road are not my invention.
What I wrote about the planning site notices is true, contrary to what has been written on this thread underneath. And what I wrote about the two local residents living at the far end of Mount Road is true.
What they said, that their neighbours are also against the urbanisation plans, is true.
I did not work them up, contrary to what Paul Scotchie claims. They spoke out of their own accord. The very first thing the lady asked me was: are you in favour?
She explained to me exactly where the planning site notices were in those roads, I was half way through my journey, and what she said corresponded, and is as I have stated. They ARE against it, Keith. And DDC ARE doing their best to make sure the local population is kept out of knowledge of the whole planning business.
Keith B, the very few people on the Forum who are openly campaigning in favour of the urbanisation of the White Cliffs of Dover, are trying to waffle us off and make us feel ashamed.
If you are against the trebling of Dover's population through the building of settlements, then join us! Don't be ashamed to speak up.
CGI have a £31 million debt to an Israeli bank, and are trying to build more settlements in Dover, as if DDC hasn't already decided to build 6,000 houses in Whitfield.
This is not the West Bank, Keith, this is Dover.
Everyone knows that these speculators and developers promise jobs, and most people know that it is a blatant untruth. The Protect Kent spokesman explained clearly that the workers on building sites are migrant workers, from elsewhere in Britain or from other countries.
As said Keith Bibby, if you are for Dover and England, and Britain, come over and join us. Don;t let yourself be waffled off!
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#11
Bonkers
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#12
By the way, Keith B, the meeting last Thursday at the Immigration Removal Centre, in the meeting room there, was mass publicised on the Forum, and only one person present was in favour of the CGI plans to build settlements on Dover's White Cliffs, 3 or 4 claimed to be undecided, and everyone else was completely against the plans.
Simply do not believe the claims that the local people in Dover are in favour, because they are not! Most people do not know about these plans, this is a fact.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#13
Some interesting views aexander.
realy baffled by the comments on the immigration removal centre, why would they be discussing the western heights? what was the meeting about?
how do you get to claim EVERYONE was against the proposals?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#14
alex
take a walk down to the grand shaft some time today, see the volunteers working to preserve our heritage and then have a think on why they would want to destroy it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#15
Keith, sigh!
The meeting was at the visitors centre of the IRC, there was even a guard, or officer, present, as they kindly gave use of the premise for a public meeting.
I clearly wrote that one person present was in favour of the proposals, and three or four were undecided.
You evidently have not been following up the topic on the other Western Heights thread, Keith.
Paul Scotchie and Chris, who were both present, have not disputed that 1 person was in favour of the CGI (China Gateway International) planning proposals.
So the claim you say I made, I haven't made!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#16
As an 'anti western heights development campaign group' i wouldn't have expected otherwise.....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#17
Howard, if you are referring to the article on my blog, I haven't suggested that WHPS want to destroy the Heritage we have.
The wording is clearly in the meaning that, if the urbanisation plans go ahead on W.H and neighbouring Farthingloe, the Heritage will undergo an act of destruction.
To dig up green soil and cement it over, is an act of destruction if this takes place on a protected area. The article needs revising, as it still does not outline the various protection statuses these two areas enjoy.
Once this revision is done, the article will stand out better, and people reading it will realise that it is a protected area.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#18
Incidentally, the two people I spoke with yesterday at the end of Mount Road, were unaware of some basic facts.
They thought that the area was still owned by the Military, they seemed unaware of who, or what, China Gateway International is, they were not aware that the former Prison had sold land which eventually, either directly or through various changes of ownership, was purchased by CGI.
Now that last line is information I received myself only 2 weeks ago at the first meeting in Braddon. I assume it is correct.
They had no idea of the proposed WW memorial, neither did the delegation from Sholden I spoke with last Thursday.
Howard, many people here do not know what is going on, and to what extent.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#19
alex
i doesn't surprise me that people think that land is owned by the m.o.d general disinterest in what's going around them is the norm.
the miniscule number that commented on the proposals speaks volumes for apathy.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#20
To be sincere, Howard, I know most of what is going on in and around Dover solely through Dover Forum. Many local people do not know of the Forum.
When I discovered it, I eventually joined. Not everyone has internet connection, not everyone is aware of a site, such as this Forum, or other forums, and not everyone is aware of information on DDC's sites, or on CGI's site.
Dover Mercury may print an article on one topic, and not on another, while Dover Express may do the opposite.
D. Mercury may have one view on a topic which they prefer to highlight, D. Express the opposite view.
So many people may well be interested in some local goings-on, but not know of it, or have heard of it from one angle and not the other.
My blog, Howard, is dedicated to transparency and democratic rights of people, to constitution, to details that many may not be aware of, on issues which I choose to publish. It's in my nature to inform people who are not knowledgeable about something I feel they should know.
It does not prevent other people from having different views, or expressing their views through channels they choose to make use of.
