Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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When you thought it couldn't get any worse it's been revealed that immigrants from eastern Europe will soon be able to claim taxpayer-funded benefits totalling tens of millions of pounds a year thanks to European Union rules.
More than 100,000 newcomers from Poland, the Czech Republic and other former communist countries are to get the right to claim up to £250 a week because restrictions imposed when the EU's borders expanded are set to expire.
Tory MP Philip Hollobone said: "People across Britain will be outraged that this is being allowed to happen. I think it will strengthen the case for us to leave the EU altogether." Andrew Percy, another Tory backbencher, said: "This is why we need to look again at whether we should be a member of the EU. "We can't control our borders and we are incapable now of controlling who gets benefits."
Tens of thousands of migrants will overnight get the right to claim benefits including jobseekers' allowance, council tax benefit and housing benefit.
Restrictions imposed when eight former Soviet bloc countries joined the EU in 2004 are set to be lifted at the start of May.
The previous restrictions meant migrants from the eight countries were barred from claiming the three benefits unless they had worked here continuously for 12 months and as a result very few qualified.
I suspect that this will add fuel to stronger calls from Vic for the UK to leave the EU that's if he's aware of the above change in law.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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i see the eurosceptics are moaning again.
at the moment we have control of our borders [worst luck,but ok for the moment.]
i do not think that it would happen but maybe wrong,but with the ukbf doing a wonderfull job of keeping undesirables out etc.to be honest im sure its only a guideline.
as this country dosent reconize the court of human rights the uk wont be paying out.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Unfortunately Brian is does apply to the UK as all these countries become full members and enjoy the rights offered already to France,Germany etc
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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marek,the uk being a full member is in the grey area of thinking.some say we are,some say we are not.as far as i see it we are sitting on the fence.we are not fully in europe as we niether have the euro as currency and besides that we have closed borders as aposed to rest of europe.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Brian
You are right that we are not members of the Euro currency zone also that we reserved the right to maintain border controls however on this issue there is no opting out clause. We have to give them equal employment rights and benefits.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Marek - do I detect a strengthening strand of Euroscepticism in your posting?
Welcome aboard....
I have always said that the EU is its worse enemy. We will end up quitting the EU eventually and that awful organisation will seal its own fate.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But we'll be bankrupt by then Barry (more than we are now), we can't afford to wait any longer.
Imagine the phenominal cost of this to our already inflated benefits/welfare budget; we simply cannot afford it.
Do other EU countries also have to pay up to £250 in benefit payments ? The Eastern EU Countries will be devoid of people soon, all ending up on our doorstep.
Marek - have you thought of being a journalist for the Daily Express ? We have that paper and it is these (types of) stories that it prints almost every day, they all scare the life out of so may people and it makes you realise how stupid we are.
Roger
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Brian
The UKBF indeed do a wonderful job, but they still cannot keep immigrants out - they still come in on the back of lorries etc. I have spoken recently to a number of UKBF personnel and Police and they are coming in, in quite large numbers - as Marek has said, it will be in increasing numbers soon and no need to hide in lorries either.
And your sign off "If you don't like Europe why live so close ?", surely should be "If you don't like the EU, why live so close ?"
We all love Europe as a Continent, with beautiful countries, wonderful cultures, amazing people; it's the EU with all its corruption and unelected beaurocrats making life hell for every country - and the Euro itself, that many of us hate.
The countries are fantastic, the EU is not.
Roger
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Could a system be introduced where immigrants get the same amount of money in benefits as they would in their own country. If they could only get for example £20 in their own country that is all they would get here, it might stop some of those that come here just for what they can get.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well you know what you all have to do,come over to my side and join ukip,you will be made most welcome even a home made cake from my wife she is a great cook.And the good thing also you can say what you like and do not have to follow party lines like the Blues and the reds and what is left of the Lib/dems.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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A vote for UKIP simply results in a more pro-EU government. We have seen this Vic. It would be far better to strengthen us on the anti-EU wing of the Conservative Party where influence would really count.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, your notion of the EU is not up to standard. Britain is a full member of the EU, and not to be a member of the eurozone does not change this fact. Quite a few other EU countries are not members of the eurozone, but this does not make them any less EU members either.
The law that Marek mentioned, requires that any EU citizen who can prove to have been looking for work in Britain for 3 months, is entitled to the above mentione benefits. £250 is the maximum, and applies in particular to the London area, where rent is higther, hence the housing benefit would be a lot more than in Dover.
People from eastern Europe come in large numbers to Britain, they also go in large numbers to Germany and other western countries that are members of the EU, because the national average wage in the West of the EU is about three times higher than in the East.
People from eastern EU states who can prove to have been seeking work in Britain for 3 months will not receive more benefits than any British citizen, but exactly the same amount. So in an area where rent is high (London), so will the housing benefit be high, hence the reference to a maximum of £250. That would mean: £65 a week job-seekrs allowance, the rest on Housing benefit and Council tax.
Child allowance would be added if they have one or more children, even if these children live in eastern Europe and not Britain.
In fact, many eastern Europeans working in Britain receive child's allowance even though their children do not live in Britain.
If we see a surge in people coming to Britain from eastern Europe from May onwards, this will mean that the law has been widely publicised in the East, probably by their own governments, who would like to encourage peopleto take advantage of it.
The sort of people to expect are not the young hard-working ones who would get a job immediately in any factory, but the desperados, who would like to get benefits for free in Britain and send a tenner a week back to the family, which in their country would be a week's savings (providing they had a job).
We will probably see tens of thousands of people in their 50s with an official residence in Britain (a relative or friend), but sleeping out on the benches, while waiting for their benefits to come through so as to then rent a house.
Surely illegal immigrants will not be allowed benefits? And isn't it true that most people extol the work ethic of people from the former eastern bloc countries?
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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must be an election in the air
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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And on the ground and thanks for all your Jokes Keith.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Diana, the law in question, to become operational in May, does not concern illegal immigrants, but applies to EU citizens from eight countries in eatersn Europe.
No EU citizen is classed as an illegal immigrant in any EU member country.
This has to do with economic standards: eastern EU states have a very low national average salary compared to western EU states, and they also have much lower prices (rent, food...) in the East of the EU.
So to earn £5.93 an hour in Britain is like earning £18 an hour in eastern EU.
To receive £65 a week benefits in Britain plus rent and council tax (and child benefits), would be the next best option, it would still enable a person to send back a tenner or two every week to the family!
The next step would be to invite the wife and parents and uncles and aunties and cousins over to their State-paid rented house in "the UK", so that these too can start getting job-seekers alowance and each a State-paid rented house here.
Their governments probably encourage them to do so!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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roger,my signeture is a genrael thing,ie europe meanig the europe.the eu is another matter it dosent work with the last part of the sentace.
alex,whether they come here to work,study or scrounge it dosent matter to me.the ukbf are doing there best to keep them out along with the imigration people [the ones who cheak your passports visas etc].
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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brian
the people we are talking about can come here legally merrily waving their passports at the border agency coves.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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howard,have they got genuwin passports or are they bleeding good fake ones,the doubt is there on closer inspection.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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no all genuine brian, in fact some of our locals have a selection available.
just depends on who is asking to see it.
