Guest 706- Registered: 25 Oct 2010
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What happens to the immigrant children,that arrive alone in this country if they are allowed to stay?
They don't get sent back to be child soldiers, sex workers or simply abused.
Foster parents, often.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There is no country in the world whose laws allow children to become child soldiers or sex workers.
Where there are groups who abduct children for those purposes, such as in Africa, they are armed opposition groups, and when any abducted children are released by government soldiers, they are looked after by the authorities of their own country, sometimes with the help of international organisations.
There is no need to send them on to the UK.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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on the news this morning that up until 1995 there was a gentleman's agreement that failed asylum seeker children were sent back to france.
i couldn't find what happened to them when they got there.
Alexander, grow up.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander, of course there are many countries and societies that allow, even force, children into child-labour or even soldiers - many parts of the Indian sub-continent have child labour and Africa has many child soldiers. Some bad people put children into the child sex trade.
Roger
Jan Higgins
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks Jan - I've done that now - sorry Alexander.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, I did not write that there isn't such a thing as child soldiers and child-sex, which are the points Bern mentioned.
But that these practices are not legally allowed in any country.
I mentioned that in Africa, these things often happen when armed militias go to war against a government and an officially recognised army.
Child labour is something else, which you brought up in your subsequent post, but wasn't part of Bern's exposition.
That is a topic unto itself, and it would seem that it is common practice in India and Central and South America, including on plantations that have for decades (centuries) exported their commodities far and wide.
But what relation does all this have to claiming asylum in our Country? Can we just take in tens of millions of children?
Grow up Bern! I mean come off it!
I've mentioned in the past on the Forum that India and some other countries that are often in the headlines as aid recipients spend enormous sums of money on weapons every year, and India and Brasil - which I specifically mentioned only a month or two ago on some thread or another on the Forum - are probably the two countries that have most millionaires - and I mean even people with tens of millions of pounds - in the world.
To solve the probloems of hundreds of millions of children caught up in child labour and exploitation - and also their poor parents - Bern, it would be better to affront the problem in THEIR country, asking THEM to be more equal to THEIR own people.
Furthermore, it is a known fact that tens of thousands of young women who work as domestics in foreign countries have their passports taken away and are reduced to slavery behind four walls.
Some countries most notable for this diabolic practice are Malaysia, Lebanon and Irak, but there are others too.
The victims are usually from Africa and Indonesia.
But can we just sit here and give asylum to tens of millions of people? Grow up!
Shout it out loud to the world, so that all the people in the world tell the societies in the countries concerned to be just and honest to their fellow citizens and not to exploit them.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I certainly agree Alexander that we cannot accommodate or give asylum to the World's children, but some people here are hell bent on us doing so.
Probably because our Governmenmt's ears are bent by too many do-gooders, that we allow so many in. As we all know, people smuggling is big business and many people in far-off lands will pay gangs money to give their children what they hope will be, a better life - very rarely does it happen though - and it costs us millions.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Perfectly right, Roger. It's all becoming too much.
Indeed it is.Those pesky children burdening us with their hard luck stories about rape, prostitution, being made to murder family members so that they "join" the army, hunger, poverty and being orphaned in front of their eyes. Hysterical over reaction? I'll introduce you to a few of those statistics one day.............
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I'm sorry you're angry Bern, but despite these awful stories, we simply can't take in all the World's sad and abused children.
Roger
I must have forgotten suggesting that. Oh, wait, I didn't. I was just raising awareness that it isn't always quite as simple as we might like.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It never is that simple Bern - certainly not for those children.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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the question is why are they sent here on there own in the first place.and i mean the real reason,are they sold on as a conmodaty because the so called parents are hard up and some cash or are they sent here for slavery to certain industrys,[sex trade,sweatshops etc].
Sometimes it is as simple as desperate parents and families hoping against hope that someone will make sure their loved children are safe and not subjected to the abuses they would face if they were in their own country and take the unimaginably hard decision to part with them to the unknown. Sometimes it isn't.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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It is almost true that no country has sex work or child soldiers in their laws, although many have 'traditions' or 'religious customs' that allow such things. The reality is that such a fate awaits far too many in the world. Modern day people often sit in front of Holocaust documentaries wondering why German Jews did not get out when the Nazi's took power and yet many of those that tried found borders closed to them because it was an 'internal problem'.
Maybe we should get the 'other' countries to sort out their problems to make it safe for people to stay there. Do we know how well that works? Why don't we just close our borders, round up those immigrant children and put them in secure hostels (or camps) ready for deportation? Could we just ship them all back where they came from, maybe in exchange for a nice trading agreement? Why not set up workshops where they can earn their keep, cheaper than educating them? Do we want to become as bad as the countries they are being sent away from for their safety?
Immigrant children are a very small percentage of the benefit claimants in this country and yet they are vilified while our own are glorified (from 'Bread' to 'Shameless' for example). Can we afford to take care of desperate, abandoned children? Can we afford not to and still think of ourselves as civilised ?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Bern, all too often people will make up a string of abuses and recount them to the British authorities on arrival, and my guess is that 99.9 % of times it's invented in order to get the soft touch landing in Charity UK.
Children sent here by their family probably have the mission to get the big family over in later years, and they will have been initiated into exactly what to say and what not to say.
Sadly no-one can prove it. The answer must be closed doors full stop, no soft-touch landing in Charity UK.
Charity starts at home.
