Most people would of read or seen the backlash of prince Phillip after leaving hospital he went hunting pheasant with the family as part of his christmas tradition. I for one strongly disagree on any blood sports and long for the day mankind live in harmony with creatures , but it does make my blood boil that i to also read that the boxing day hunting with hounds is still a large attended event to the point that some tories have hinted that the bill could be changed back to allow it yet they cant enforce the law when it is illegal to kill foxes with hounds now. I wonder what the lib dems would think of that u turn?????
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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bit of a badly drafted law and the hunting fraternity are exploiting loopholes where they can.
there is no desire to really enforce the ban and this unpleasant activity still goes on.
Brian Dixon
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i do like a good pheasnt if its fresh.
i would presume that all animal asociated sports would be stopped if you had your way mel,these so called pheasants are reared to be shot to keep the idle rich happy.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Mel the Hunting law is coming up in parliament again soon I believe. Mr Cameron has stated that everyone will be allowed a free vote. In other words there will be no party whip and MPs can vote with their conscience. There is generally a left/right divide on this issue..lefties want hunting stopped, rightwingers bemoan any hint of its demise.
The current situation is unsatisfactory as its recognised that generally the law is being flouted. The hunting party set out following a scent but what happens between start and finish is unscripted..in other words anything goes.
It is also impossible to police, what goes on out there in the near wilderness between hedgerows is anyone's guess.
Jan Higgins
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I do not believe it is a left/right divide.
It is more a town versus country divide with neither side fully understanding the other especially the town side who when they move to the country do not like the early morning sound of cows mooing and cockerels crowing.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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research shows that rural dwellers are split in the same way as urban people on hunting with dogs.
there are countless stories of the pack smashing up front or back gardens and savaging family pets in their pursuit of a fox.
I dont agree with any form of hunting as its cruel
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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mel.do you eat fish from the chip shop,icelands,pr the fishmongers.if so they are hunted down as well not with dogs but fish finders.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Brian I think what Mel is saying there is that hunting for amusement is cruel, farming..whether fish or meat, is a different matter as its not done for amusement but for necessity, to feed the population.
The big and essential difference lies in the reason for doing it and in the method of despatch for the animal.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Animals should not be killed for fun surely anyone can see that?
Audere est facere.
You'd think.........
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Stupid ill conceived and pointless legislation and it should be at best ignored or better still repealed but it should nto be a priority for parliament's time.
There is nothing wrong with hunting whether with dogs, shooting, trapping or fishing - its all perfectly normal and natural. In fact it is important for the survival of wildlife and the natural balance. All the better if we also eat and wear the products.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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hardly helps survival of wildlife barry, there are millions of foxes, maybe one gets killed by a hunt now and again.
if you want see how to ensure the balacne of nature it is worth spending time with the w.c.c.p people and others that cut back undergrowth to ensure that other species of plants, insects, butterflies and birds can benefit from it.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I don't disagree with your point Barry, apart from all those you mention, other than fox-hunting (with dogs) have a real purpose; fox-hunting with dogs is purely for the pleasure of the hunters.
They do make a marvellous spectacle riding across the countryside I must admit, but it's the point that they love to see the fox ripped to bits by the dogs.
If foxes were a less atractive looking animal, there would probably be less of an outcry, but they'd still be hunting and killing, purely for the pleasure of the kill.
I also appreciate that to many a farmer, they are vermin and just destroy many a chicken in their coop.
Roger
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It always amazes me that there is legislation to protect animals but missing laws which would protect people. For instance dog laws. Staffies and rottweilers and pitbull type dogs should be banned outright but such is the sentimental nature of most dog lovers who insist that "it's the owners fault and not the animal".
Try telling that to all those toddlers maimed by these beasts.
Repeal the fox hunting act I say. It's all about class warfare. Cultural marxism personified.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Philip, are you Bob Frost posting under a pseudonym by any chance?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I've heard of the bloke and the controversy surrounding him but no not me.
Odd really but I always thought most of my views were shared by most people and were unreasonably mainstream, just pure common sense 'cept for a few related to environmentalism.
I mean, come on, am I the only one who puts people before animals?
Brian let me put the basics out for you in easy terms, animals that are used for the food industry are usually killed quickly and painlessly where as an animal who has been chased over fields or through streets will be a scared terrified little innocent animal used mearly for the pleasure of dogs and blood hunters only. i an against any such cruel sport and god forbid if the hunting act did over turned i would be first making a stand against it.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Roger as you say very nice to look at. I hasten to add I do not agree with hunting with dogs, a good gamekeeper or marksman will shoot between the eyes killing instantly.
Howard #6, I wonder how many of those country dwellers you mention were actually raised in the country and understand rural life. Most villages have a very high proportion of ex town dwellers as they have priced the rural people out of villages, but that is another subject.
A dog fox when he marks his territory creates an awful stink, foxes also kill needlessly if they get in a chicken run taking the head but leaving the rest of the body behind.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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PhilipP, my son has a three legged rescued staffie cross (she was thrown out of a car onto a busy road) and I have never known such a soft and more importantly safe dog.
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