16 August 2010
22:4565779Having just seen the TV prog. regarding the tragic murder of WPC Sharon Beshenivsky, it`s obvious that this brave lady would still be alive today but for the pathetic "Human Rights" legislation enforced upon us. ( Human rights for the criminal that is, not for the victim! )
The Somali thugs that murdered her in cold blood already had a string of criminal convictions, but our soft touch Govt. reps. couldn`t send them back to where they belong because it would have been in breach of their " Human Rights ".
I wonder if the half-wits in the Government ( and that`s being really polite! ) that were responsible for this situation have since given thought about the husband that`s lost his wife and the little ones their mother. No, I don`t suppose they have.
And people wonder why I support UKIP!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 August 2010
22:5065780that name rings a bell, i believe that she interrupted a robbery somewhere in yorkshire and met her fate.
the rest of the story is new to me.
16 August 2010
23:2965791Your half right Howard, although the WPC`s who responded to the call for assistance didn`t really have time to " interrupt " anything, they were simply gunned down as the thugs ran out of the shop. The other policewoman involved fortunately managed to pull through.
Still, we can be grateful in the knowledge that inbetween committing umpteen crimes no doubt these jolly decent chaps were " boosting our economy ". I think that`s what they do, isn`t it?
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17 August 2010
01:3565801John
Not too sure where Somali fits in with your statement "And people wonder why I support UKIP" other than the Human rights issue
However I agree its a disgrace that they were not deported.
Marek
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17 August 2010
07:3465812It is a disgrace they weren't deported; every person from overseas should know that when their permission to stay is given, if they commit a crime and receive a custodial sentence, they will serve it in their own country and not be allowed to re-enter Britain.
Human Rights and Human Responsibilities should go hand in hand - if they did, we wouldn't be allowing such silly and dangerous decisions to be made.
Roger
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17 August 2010
07:3465813Sadly the Conservative plans to get rid of the HRA have been kicked into the long grass by the LD's in the coalition agreement. Still hopeful this can be rescued later in the parliament, or in the next one when the Conservatives should be able to govern alone.
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17 August 2010
07:3865815That's sad Barry, but thanks for letting us know.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2010
09:5165843i like to see them banged up here, who knows what happens if deported to their own country.
they might be let out early, i feel happier knowing that they are behind bars.
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17 August 2010
09:5465846Howard you are right on this one just look at what happen to the Lockerbe Bomber
17 August 2010
10:5465849Howard, with reference to your " banged " up here, I would support that if you changed the "b" to an "h"!
That would ensure justice was done and save the taxpayer a load of dosh at the same time.
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17 August 2010
11:1265850John
A bit extreme I think....no person has the right to take another persons life. As for repatriation I feel that in todays economic climate it's a more favourable option to send them home rather than paying to keep them locked up here.
Marek
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17 August 2010
11:2665851Totally disagree with you Marek.
Some people are not worth the air they breathe.
A bit less concern about Somali murderers and more concern about their victims is in order. We may not be civilised enough to string them up but others are.....
17 August 2010
11:3765852Marek,
Also " a bit extreme " to murder/injure two unarmed women I would have thought?
Also your quite right ..."no person has the right to take another persons life".
But apparently then it`s ok to do so if you`re a Somali thug?
As far as I`m concerned, If people of this ilk can`t or won`t conform to the normal rules of society then they have no right to remain in it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2010
11:5465855a debate without any possible conclusion here, the united kingdom has signed many treaties to the effect that capital punishment will never be restored.
if that was not the case the commons would never pass a bill anyway.
the issue is only useful when a horrific murder takes place and a few blue mp's see the chance to play to the gallery demanding an execution.
17 August 2010
12:0565857Perhaps the new boys will venture to give us a referendum on th matter of capital punishment. Will they be brave enough I wonder?
Vic, despite us locking up the Lockerbie bomber, the Jocks freed him early, and even now are probbly scrambling around trying to falsify his medical records evidence to keep the Yanks quiet. His release was a national disgrace disguised as humane Scottish penal tradition.
17 August 2010
12:1565861John B - so, is that a UKIP stance on capital punishment? To paraphrase - so you can see why I don't support UKIP.
Roger - your #5 post sums it up beautifully - rights and responsibilities are entwined and indivisible. But breaching that cannot mean a death sentence, from my perspective - the state then simply becomes a murderer as well There are better ways that do not allow people to "get away with" anything. Sadly, in the UK, getting away with it seems to happen a lot. As a major Human Rights supporter it makes me sad that weak government demeans HR to the point where it is seen as an insult, just because it isn't managed properly - human rights apply as much to victims as to others!!
17 August 2010
12:1865865Bern, no punishment to fit the crime, ergo, more crime.
HR is one stumbling block, do-gooders and PC brigade are two others. As a nation we have become soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime. Good catch-phrase in there somewhere.
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17 August 2010
12:2165867getting back to the somali murderers, why do we not ask why they were let in originally?
i very much doubt that they were innocents without criminal records, people do not change countries then think "i know, let's take up armed robbery".
a week or two back a chap from lithuania was convicted of murdering his girl friend then running amok in canterbury with a gun.
it transpired he had served time in sweden for violent crime.
governments are not bothered who they let in, cabinet ministers and the like will not live near them.
17 August 2010
13:0465876Howard, he was an "asylem seeker" who travelled all the way from Africa to the UK so that he could feel "safe"! Couldn`t really make it up could you?
Bern, I think you`ll find that in a large number of case`s, law abiding people
are becoming sick to the back teeth with umpteen agencies, regardless of the cost, turning somersaults in order to protect and champion the type of low-lifes that we`re talking about.
This willy-nilly, wishy washy, liberal type approach is one of the very reasons that this once decent country is now a shadow of its former self.
The liberal/PC brigade have had their way for far too long now. Their beliefs don`t work and never will work and the majority of us want a return to plain decency and common sense and where there are clear divides between right and wrong.
UKIP`s stance on this issue is that they would scrap the misconceived Human Rights Act and a "life sentance" would mean just that, life.
I don`t believe I mentioned anything about UKIP and capital punishment?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2010
13:1265877john
i don't think that the issue is one of political correctness so much as people on an earner out of the present system.
solicitors, translators and worst of all migrant helpline are hell bent on protecting asylum seekers despite of what they may be beacuse they are a meal ticket.
on the subject of the somali chaps, i must update my atlas, i hadn't realised we were the first safe country from somalia.