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    John B - so, is that a UKIP stance on capital punishment? To paraphrase - so you can see why I don't support UKIP.

    Roger - your #5 post sums it up beautifully - rights and responsibilities are entwined and indivisible. But breaching that cannot mean a death sentence, from my perspective - the state then simply becomes a murderer as well There are better ways that do not allow people to "get away with" anything. Sadly, in the UK, getting away with it seems to happen a lot. As a major Human Rights supporter it makes me sad that weak government demeans HR to the point where it is seen as an insult, just because it isn't managed properly - human rights apply as much to victims as to others!!

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