How would you vote if Mrs T was still Conservative leader?
- 16 April 2013 08:39225489Yes you're right Reg - your rambling postings are wasted on me.
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16 April 2013 09:32225499I expect to be shot down in flames for the following but feel it must be said to the political boys on here.
What a sad situation when we now have three separate threads on a newly deceased politician and nearly all of the posts (not all) are simple tit for tat replies. You are no longer little boys trying to see how high or far you can pee, you are supposed to be intelligent adults, sadly the latter is not coming across at the moment.
For Keith's benefit as you so often enjoy saying, "we are all entitled to an opinion", well this is mine.
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16 April 2013 10:05225506jan,well said.
- 16 April 2013 10:07225508all a matter of opinion which jan and brian are fully entitled to, of course.
- 16 April 2013 13:31225520There's definitely something in Barry's point: that the Tory party is in search of a strong figure adapted not for the 1970s-80s period, but for this present era.
Presumably the Conservative party did not achieve a sane economy once Margaret Thatcher left government, and wishes it could go back in time.
But that would imply reviewing years of Conservative government starting from the day M. Thatcher left 10 Downing Street.
So where did the Conservative party go wrong?
I could write a couple of tomes on it, but far too boring would it be.
My best guess is that speculation set in, house prices rose out of proportion, speculators became filthily rich, the economy boomed and then went bust, mainly owing to the fruits of speculative economy.
It's like a rocket: it's launched, goes up, describes an arc and come down with a boom.
That's when the economy goes bust.
The idea is, to be able to forecast and predict the rocket's unholy trajectory and its certain landing long before it actually hits.
As things stand now, we have Austerity.
We may be drinking acorn coffee soon
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 16 April 2013 16:41225536The Conservative Party went wrong with the economy only when Lawson tracked the DMark and Major, as Chancellor, joined the ERM against the warnings of Mrs T and Alan Waters. That though was corrected when ERM collapsed in a shambles as a lesson against the even more crazy Euro, so we have to be thankful that the lesson was learnt when it was and in so doing avoiding far worse problems now.
No, the present economic problems stem from when Labour came to power with the daft inflation brief to the Bank of England, the switch to the FSA's regulation of the banking sector, the discouragement of savings. Then of course it gathered pace from 2001 when the manifesto imposed curbs on Brown's spending ended and he went of that insane spending spree at the point in the economic cycle when he should have balanced the deficit.
In a way you are right Alex but the recent housing/debt bubble stems from the impact of what I just referred to under Brown. The result of his measures kept interest rates lower for a lot longer than they should have been. It didn't pay to save and was cheap to live on credit, thanks to Brown. - 16 April 2013 19:37225557Barry
And brown bailing out the city? A good thing or bad thing - Brian Dixon
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16 April 2013 19:42225561the banks and the city have been bailed out enough,its about time they started to pay back. - 16 April 2013 20:38225574Not the City Keith, just some of the banks. Again the root of this problem is twofold, the Brown regulatory changes that opened the door for them to speculate, specially in the USA increasing their exposure the US toxic debt created by Clinton. Secondly their general over exposure to the debt bubble in the UK caused by Brown's monetary policy based on the inadequate inflation brief he gave the BoE. That is not an excuse for the banks but the situation created by Brown enabled their ill-advised actions.
Personally I have doubts over whether the banks should have been bailed out but at least when they are fit for privatisation the shares can be sold and taxpayers repaid.
The big debt problem we have though is the UK government debt that is not related to the banks but is caused by the Brown deficit - borrowing to spend on the current account is not good practice to say the least. - Keith Sansum1
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16 April 2013 20:41225576I'm sure the conservative party are pining for a leader like maggie
sadly they have u turn mouse
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