Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Why?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you have a way with words peter, we are all on tenterhooks for the next syllable from you.
Ross Miller
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As Peter said why?
What is it about its role that it does not do?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Keith Sansum1
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carry out the function it is set up for
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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First describe its function and identify where it falls short.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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First describe its function and identify where it falls short.
Cost , democratic accountability , cronyisam ,
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter;
1; to help mould together/make laws etc with those in the house of commons
2; supposed to be independent of govt(this is one where it falls down)as political
parties flood H.O.L. with its own terrified of losing votes in the second chamber
3; because of links many wont be impartial.
so yep it falls down thats not bad for starters
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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2and3 under the proposed changes the Lords will become almost entirely political. So it will change, but for the worse.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I may agree with Peter that the proposals on the HoL presented in Commons need examining, which is why I haven't commented on them, but the upper chamber does need changing.
First of all, it shouldn't have barons sitting in it, but normal people, and secondly, their function should not be to lord it over us by fainting in the Restaurant when the menu presents something "uneatable".
I'd rather have straight forward people eating sandwiches and drinking mugs of Naafi tea while discussing constitutional matters of relevance to the House of Commons and the laws passed there, than people looking like Santaclaus for the occasion.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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One of the most erudite MP`s Jesse Norman led the 91 tory rebels to the biggest tory rebellion of
Parliament.
He wrote the `Big Society` study for Cameron.He `was` an habitual loyalist for Cameron.
He was destined to become a minister in the cabinet reshuffle.He is dubbed `Captain Sensible`by the 91 rebels he led.
He is the tallest MP in Westminster but he does not strut around like an `Alpha man`.
He possesses one of the finest most original minds at Westminster.
He has qualities that marked him out for high office- brains and cunning which on this occasion he
used against Cameron and the government.
He is an old Etonian.
Cameron challenge him in `forcefull`terms outside the commons division lobbies in a finger prodding
fiasco.....Cameron lost his cool big time.
Fellow rebels said Cameron resorted to his inner Flashman instinct and the dressing down was
like a `Colonic Irregation`
.Another said ``You do not piss on the most popular,nice principled and thoughtful loyalistic MP``.
Another Cameron error of judgement.
If habitual loyalists like Norman are willing to turn on Cameron the government is in serious trouble.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Over time we have pin pointed the differences between the co olition and how it will fold over time, now that cameron has had his honeymoon period back bench tories are coming out of the woodwork and not frightened to bring cameron down.
Without doubt the lib dems were given to much power for such a smalll party in the co olition, and cameron i presume hoped that would keep them quiet.
But now guns are firing from all angles and our dave doesn'tknow wehich way to turn, his latest move to openly go for even his most loyal toryu mp's shows cameron has lost the plot.
Cameron is now walking a tightrope, 91 backbenchers willing to defy him, 50 others willing to abstain, doesnt bode well for the future, i can see cameron wanting to see the loyalty to the lib dems, but with the revolt of his own members he surely should be having a re think?
Then we have cable and other senior lib dems talking with ed milliband
its all looking grim for our dave
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