Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#21
There is much there Peter with which I could agree. The nature of local and regional Governance needs work too, but I am with you, in that the best of politics has nothing to do with professional-party-politicians.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#22
Yes Tom; let those with an axe to grind, grind it outside Parliament.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#23
barry,faith comes in 3 guieses,1,none.2,little.3 loads. i come under no,1 no faith in any goverment.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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#24
Well whatever happens it needs reform
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#25
It is an inadequate bill but a step in the right direction.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#26
I may have given you this 'mind-problem' before, but you may have forgotten the lesson therein...
Consider; you are tasked with getting to the moon. To assist you, you have the option of either a firework rocket or a tall hill.
If you were to chose the hill; you would be certain of approaching ever closer to your goal with your every step up the hill...after you have constructed, perhaps, a tall tower upon the summit of the hill you may realise that your goal is as far away as ever it was. But at least you were ever busy.
If you were to chose the firework; nothing would happen for many many years, but eventually along comes an Isaac Newton character to explain the physics behind the motion of the firework-rocket and after more years of enforced idleness eventually a manned mission would succeed.
It is not that something is done that marks progress, but that the correct path is followed from the outset. The HoL deserves nothing but abolition!
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#27
Gets my vote Tom.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#28
can't keep ms sandys out of the news for long.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#29
Labour government by November 2013.
Liberal party members will demand an end to the Liberal conservative alliance.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#30
yes and no keith.
yes the yellows will pull out and go into factions in order to disassociate themselves from the road accident goverment and try to ingratiate with their traditional voters.
no the blues will go it alone until may 2015 and try to push through policies that will hit a chord with middle england.
at least we will not have so many wind farms if that happens.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#31
Seats
They could fined that difficult Howard ,Unstable government ,unstable economy ,not a good mix's
Conservative 305
Labour 254
Liberal Democrat 57
Democratic Unionist 8
Scottish National 6
Sinn Fein 5
Plaid Cymru 3
Social Democratic & Labour 3
Alliance 1
Green 1
Respect 1
Independent 2
Speaker & 3 Deputies* 4
Total number of seats 650
Current working Government Majority** 83
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#32
I think the House of Lords is a very good body to balance the elected members in the House of Commons and should be left alone - maybe some small things could be changed, but the main point of it should remain.
What's wrong with having Lords, Dukes, Baronets, Earls etc. ? Most if not all of them have served their Country and had a very good education; some are even quite well balanced - yes I know that doesn't apply to all of them, no one group of people have every one well-balanced, not even Dover Forum !
Why does everyone have to be a commoner ? We all have a station in life - we just have to find it.
Be proud of where you are in life and stop wanting to bring everyone down to being the same.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#33
Accordingly to Sky News 91 Tory MPs voted against the Bill. There will be abstentions as well so you can confidently predict that the Bill was not supported by at least half of Conservative backbenchers, there being 206 of them - the other Conservative MPs being on the government payroll as Ministers or PPS's. It is also known that many of those who voted with the government did so reluctantly.
This is good news, these rebels put their principles before their careers and make no mistake many of them are not normal rebel material. One junior minister and one PPS have also either resigned or been sacked from their government posts for voting against.
This was a bad Bill and though 'pushed into the long grass' as one commentator put it, this Bill is dead and good riddance.
Now for the fall-out.
It is good that Conservatives did this, the LibDems needed putting in their place.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#34
# 33.....``It is good that Conservatives did this, the LibDems needed putting in their place.``
Which way did Charlie vote?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#35
He is not on the list of those who voted against.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#36
# 35..As always a classic `non`answer....don`t tell us he abstained ?......for once answer the question......make my day !!!!!!
# 33..``half the conservative backbenchers voted against``
``Conservative ministers,PPS`s voted against``
``Conservatives put their principles before their careers voted against``
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#37
#36 - I answered based on what I know.
You really are desperate to find ways to attack me.
Rather pathetic really.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#38
nevertheless we would all like to know how our honourable member voted.
he is bracketed in with the modernist pro dave wing of the party but that may not be a long term good career move.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#39
Charlie needs to keep in with Cameron, Clegg and Osborne in order to ensure the Government 's decision on the Port of Dover issue is not adversely influenced. He therefore has to vote tactically at times and for that reason I expect he was loyal in this vote, as he was on the Europe vote a few months ago.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#40
I think you are probably right there Peter on how he voted. He has to place this massive issue for Dover first and I certainly think no less of him for that, far from it.
