Guest 1467- Registered: 30 Jan 2015
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I wonder how many they have sold. Agree with Howard, all that money in such a high density traffic area. You can buy a new detached house in Whitfield for that money!
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Brian Dixon wrote:the new builds along snargate street are 4 beded town houses, all 9 are priced at £285,000 each.no back garden as such and possible parking problems to boot.traffic noise etc, etc.
And within walking distance of town centre/railway station/marina/ferries/grammar schools etc etc.
What's not to like? This is what we need, MORE high density housing CLOSE to town centres.
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Guest 1467- Registered: 30 Jan 2015
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Yes, but realistically priced!
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Whatever the market will take. Presumably someone moving into a high priced house has not been living in a tent - so everyone moves up the 'chain' freeing up a house at the bottom? With high income/high skill people moving into Dover they will start demanding better schools/health care/food/shops and other services. Everyone wins.
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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When I saw the Snargate Street development I mentioned o my local councillor was who granted permission to build those houses without enough parking. where will they park with all those small businesses along that stretch of road.
Guest 1467- Registered: 30 Jan 2015
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Yes, I fully agree. These people seem to be moving into the area, the Whitfield new estate, I was told there is already a waiting list for the 2/3 bedroom properties. Just a matter of time, it's starting to look nice now around Dover! At last.....
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Dover and probably the whole district needs more new houses aimed at the average wage earner about £150,000 with a covenant saying they are for those already living and/or working within the DDC area.
Not for absentee speculator landlords who seem to let to anyone and have no interest in their properties so long as the rent floods in.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Gary39 wrote:When I saw the Snargate Street development I mentioned o my local councillor was who granted permission to build those houses without enough parking. where will they park with all those small businesses along that stretch of road.
I have four children. All are 30 or above. All are successful. All have had driving licences since they were 17. NONE of them owns a car.
They also do NOT own a huge collection of CDs and vinyl and DVDs. They stream music from Spotify and film from Netflix.
The whole model is changing faster than we realise from permanent ownership to occasional usage.
Little parking in this development in Greenwich BUT it presses all the right buttons? :-
https://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property-news/new-homes-in-london-greenwich-modern-houses-and-flats-in-historic-centre-with-affordable-rent-and-a118231.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1520003454Guest 1467 likes this
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Gary39 wrote:When I saw the Snargate Street development I mentioned o my local councillor was who granted permission to build those houses without enough parking. where will they park with all those small businesses along that stretch of road.
https://planning.dover.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=DCAPR_223099
As far as I can see only one member of the public bothered to give an opinion and no local councillor saw fit to object.
Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
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Does anyone know what the Sea Angling shop owner was warning prospective new home buyers about? I don't think those house are selling well. They are a big improvement on the previous building on that site in appearance anyway.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Judith, it was the price of the houses and the parking problem.
Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
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Thanks Brian. I wondered if there was a more sinister reason.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the only sinister thing its built on the old hovertel site.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We keep hearing about "affordable housing" and how little there is of it but the Government definition must be inaccurate because enough people are buying the "unaffordable" ones to keep developers happy.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/05/british-cities-developers-affordable-housing-manchester-sheffieldhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The PM writing in the Telegraph.
England needs more homes. For many decades and under successive governments, we simply haven’t built enough to meet steadily rising demand, and it is our children and grandchildren who are paying the price. In 1997, the average home cost around 3.5 times the average salary. By 2010 that ratio had doubled. And higher house prices mean rents are higher too.
Today, 20- and 30-year-olds are forced to spend three times as much of their income on housing as was the case for their grandparents. I’m sure Telegraph readers will understand that we need to build more homes than even the 217,000 that were completed in 2016/17 – one of the highest levels of net additions for 30 years.
At last year’s party conference, I set out my personal commitment to fixing our broken housing market. Today sees the latest step in that process, as the government rewrites the planning rulebook, overhauling it to make the system fairer, more transparent, and get more of the right homes built in the right places more quickly. The new rules will speed up the planning process, ensure that permissions are turned into homes more quickly, and see to it that new developments are supported by appropriate infrastructure.
But building the homes our children and grandchildren need doesn’t have to mean destroying the open countryside we all treasure. Across England, Green Belts continue to serve a valuable purpose, preventing the kind of unchecked urban sprawl that has led to vast, faceless megacities in the USA.
The local character of small, rural towns and villages is important to people, and should not be unnecessarily sacrificed in order to boost developers’ profits. So our new, fairer planning rules include extra protection for Green Belt land, with more stringent tests that raise the bar local authorities will have to clear before being allowed to open it up for housing. This includes ensuring that any use of Green Belt for new homes focusses first on sites that have already been built on.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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That will be the David Coleman who was one of the founders of that right of centre think tank & pressure group - Migration Watch, so no axe to grind there eh?
Oh I see he is also a noted member of the Galton Institute, formerly known as the Eugenics Society...
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Ross Miller wrote:That will be the David Coleman who was one of the founders of that right of centre think tank & pressure group - Migration Watch, so no axe to grind there eh?
Oh I see he is also a noted member of the Galton Institute, formerly known as the Eugenics Society...
He’ s got a point though hasn’t he Ross?
Surely it’s an undeniable fact that constant unchecked immigration has put considerable pressure on the housing market?
Even though it’s the elephant in the room that the government dare not mention for fear of offending, that particular reason must play a big part in the demand for more housing surely?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Ross Miller wrote:That will be the David Coleman who was one of the founders of that right of centre think tank & pressure group - Migration Watch, so no axe to grind there eh?
Oh I see he is also a noted member of the Galton Institute, formerly known as the Eugenics Society...
FWIW 'eugenics' was supported by many famous Fabians in the beginning of the last century. Unfortunately Hitler gave it a bit of a bad name.
I not also that in Sweden, compulsory sterilisation, a series of state-sanctioned sterilisations, was carried out without a valid consent of the subject, during the years 1906–1975 on eugenic, medical and social grounds.
Since packing in such terrible operations Sweden has of course gone from the rather boring mono-cultural society to the vibrant one which Swedes no doubt daily celebrate.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/
(The Sainted William Beveridge was also a supporter I see!
https://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/12/british-eugenics-disabled)'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Not just the Nazis, many nations including the US have a very chequered history with the worse end of eugenics (from marriage prohibitions, through enforced sterilisations, arranged couplings to coercing people to procreate).
Yes Bob you are indeed correct many Fabians were members/had an interest in eugenics and I do see interest rising again in light of the increasing ability to make some form of selection of the genetic make-up of our progeny; though am yet to be convinced that this is necessarily a good thing.
As for the housing issue that is to an extent is exacerbated by the level of inward migration; though it is also exacerbated by many other factors such as the opposition to the sort of housing density most European cities and towns consider normal, NIMBYism, landbanking, poor housing completion rates, lack of affordable housing for purchase or rent etc.
Sadly the solution will require proper leadership and joined up thinking, something our politicians appear to be totally incapable of.
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