Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#21
Nope, Peter.
Originally Fitz meant "Son of", followed by the name of the father.
King Henry II received the name FitzEmpress because his mother's title is higher in rank than that of his father,
It was in a later period in history that the prefix was applied to British royals born outside of wedlock. This isn't the case of Henry II.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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#22
good god have missed somthing here.a histoty type lesson here.must be a fitzpatrick moment.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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#23
I would like to see someone in their 40's as the third person, we have the old and the young represented there should be the middle aged as well. Who that should be I don't know, there must be a suitable nominee in their 40s or 50s out there, I do not want to see some historical figure that nobody really cares about.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#24
Have I read the specifications correctly, that those to be commemorated in this way must not have been commemorated locally in any other way;no streets named after them, no plaques etc.?
If so, it seems a little odd that Dame VL is in this position. I am reminded of one humorous slogan...
"My Friend went to LONDON and all i got was this lousy T-shirt"
The very idea of the silhouette of a gun-man, parachuting royal to one side, is rather insensitive. And with all the military statuary along the sea front is another one top of anybody's list?
I'm sure you all shall pick the right one, but is having only one group running this a break with the age old Dover tradition?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#25
I didn't vote for Henry II. Although he was an incredibly important personage in Doverr History, we already have a huge monument in the form of the Keep of Dover Castle so I don't think we need another. I'd rather celebrate someone different and maybe slightly off the wall.
Ramsay already has a statue. Ottway and Fleming are better as they are more 'unusual' choices and may get people talking.
Guest 767- Registered: 30 Aug 2012
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#26
Hubert De Burgh every time! The problem is that few in Dover have ever heard of him, let alone know about his life and times, or understand what he means not only to the town but to the country as well. Yes, he built the town hall ( as a hospice), but he also defended the castle during the seige of 1216 and 17, fought the battle of Sandwich, built the Constables Tower and, with William Marshal, was joint regent of England. Many years ago I wrote a book called 'Hubert De Burgh, Defender of Dover', sadly no longer in print but if you wish to know more about Hubert then get in touch.
Phil.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#27
The Dan Snow "Battle Castles" programme recently did a great reconstruction of the siege/Hubert
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#28
i used to like the "siege experience" when it was at the castle - very well done and evocative.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#29
final day for putting in any nominations.
Guest 722- Registered: 23 Aug 2011
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#30
I saw this too late, nominations closed 28 minutes ago !
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#31
who would you have gone for andy?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#32
and the winner is ian fleming, so who on here voted for him?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#33
i didnt.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#34
Not that bond figure with the gun, I trust. Frightfully bad show of so.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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#35
Tom- this result has obviously left you shaken...not stirred...
Never give up...
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#36
Richard, thank you for your concern, but on this point I am firmly with Bond James Bond - stirred and never shaken. Why this was changed for the films god alone knows, shaken is for the untutored only.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#37
after reading damning reviews i decided to pop down and see the sculptures/statues myself this afternoon.
totally disappointing it looks like two blokes are deciding which murder weapon to use on the poor woman in the middle.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#38
Thanks Howard...I think.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#39
I shall be there to do the honours Saturday morning .
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#40
Interesting Howard
What time are you doing the honours Sue?
