It would appear that we are going to have to get used to and accept that halal meat is to become part of the british way of life.
The decision by Harrow council to sanction such a thing in christian schools is an affront to christian beliefs. I dare say it is only a question of time before it is imposed on care homes and all those people dependant on there local councils for sustinance.
If as I suspect that the majority of christians are opposed to this sop to muslims can we expect fatwa's in the near future if christian children refuse to read the koran??
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Jimmy, I just wrote to Barry what I think of his human rights jazz on Afghan women in Afghanistan, and that I believe that our gov. should dedicate efforts to defending British girls from being reduced into prostitution by Asian gangs in Britain.
Jimmy, it's only the preparation of the food., i.e. the killing of the animal. Incidentally, Mussies don't touch all types of meat, so quite how Harrovians will get Halal pork is beyond me. However, I would hope Harrow Council have consulted there voters. I know some residents up there and will ask them the question.
So, no issue with Halal meat, but every issue with consultation or lack of.
I carry with me an abiding memory of seeing, in the first Halal butchers in Ilford Lane back in the early '70's I think, the butcher in the shop chopping up chicken portions with a lit fag hanging out of his mouth. If that had been a normal butcher the council thought police, aka Health & Food Safety would have thrown the book at him. Not so as PC ruled back then and they didn't want to appear racist.
Alexander, I think you will find British girls are more than capable of reducing themselves into prostitution as the cost of drugs escalates beyond their pitiful means. You may find Asian and Afro-Caribbean gangs mainly stick to their own types as they know what needs doing to control those.
Sid Perkins, I accept that this story is about the preperation of food. However it does not distract from the issue of imposition of muslim beliefs by the back door under the guise of racial harmony.
It is a long established fact that no matter what legislation any one brings into law, you can't make people like any one elses way of life and beliefs despite what Trevor Phillips and his likes would have us believe.
I will never knowingly eat halal meat purely on the principal that I am baptised a christian and will die a christian. It is not the method of killing that I have a problem with. It is what it represents, muslimisation of our way of life which should be opposed in all quarters.
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i believe that the area involved has a tiny muslim population according to the last census.
the area is described as 50% christian, 20% hindu, 7% jewish, various others make up the shortfall.
the council are saying that in effect the muslims are breeding like flies and will start taking up all the future school places.
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Jimmy
I think you would be shocked to learn the some catering companies use Halal meat all the time, because its easier and it means that its only one pot for cooking not 2!! And if that makes it easier... then so be it...
Do the kids care? Probably not... and they after all are the ones that have to eat it...
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I found this interesting article by a muslim on suppliers of 'halal meat' in the UK.
Through an increasing interest in the whole area of meat, animal welfare and organic food I wanted to see whether local abattoirs would be open to me coming in and slaughtering animals.
My talks and visits to some local abattoirs confirmed all my previous suspicions about halal meat in the UK. The first abattoir I ever called told me that there was no problem in coming and doing halal meat as they already had someone who did that. Upon questioning the abattoir it turned out that he man who did that was Muslim but did not slaughter them himself but processed them normally, meaning they were killed by non-Muslims. "He reads a prayer on them or something then gives them to us," were the exact words. Another local abattoir informed me that "all we do is halal meat".
Again after some probing I found out that none of the slaughter men were Muslim. The abattoir had actually entered into a deal with a Muslim who was processing them in this tucked away abattoir and selling the meat as halal.
All sounds a bit of a con to me.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
I may be wrong but I thought that both Halal and Kosher meat (favoured by the Red Sea pedestrians amongst us) was not allowed to be stunned before slaughter.
Frankly I find this barbaric and believe that both practices should be banned in a civilized society.
They can always become vegetarians if they have problems with this.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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quite right bob, i resent when religious groups get exemption from mational laws, why cannot we be a secular society like france?
i can see no reason for this barbarous practice i doubt whether the prophet or abraham would have demanded this.
Is this yet another step forward in the Islamification of Britain? Are we, once again, simply allowing this dangerous religion, hell-bent on devouring other religions and cultures in its vast expansionist agenda, to flourish so that we don't "cause offense" to them? The very idea that I may have to eat ANY meat that has been subjected to even the most remote form of religious preparation is sickening to me, a proud atheist who finds ALL religions the ultimate folly in all of the world.
We just keep bending to their wishes without a second glance. Before we know it, we'll be living in Englandistan and we'll all wonder how it happened.
As a vegan I am offended beyond belief by halal stuff. Do I count?
I need to add: just as like a non-smoker (guilty) I can despise some things without wanting to actually outlaw them, as a vegan I can be repulsed by meat eating without wanting to see it foolishly outlawed. But Halal is in a different league. It does not chime with our culture, offends not only veggies but omnivores as well. and sets a bit of a precedent. Would we be as accomodating if some people settled here who thought cannibalism was a good plan? If they only ate their own would we tolerate it like we tolerate forced marriage and honour (sic) killing?
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As a vegetarian I always struggle when meat eaters get on their high horse about how their meat is slaughtered - when all is said and done the animal is killed then you eat it all else is hypocritical rumblings
I think you will find Bern that we absolutely do not tolerate honour killings and treat them correctly as murder
Forced marriages are a more difficult thing, however where there is genuinely coercion then we must not tolerate it
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
I've a mind to begin trading in the ice cream business as "Hal & Al's" (play on Ben & Jerry's) and sell only brutally made ice cream to the Mussie community I'd appreciate some flavour ideas though, any suggestions?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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wouldn't recommend it sid, bit of a cut thoat business.
on a lighter note, our police have a unit that investigates allegations of forced marriage.
they have strong links with pakistan and have managed to rescue a number of girls.
sorry to sound like i am picking on pakistan, but that is where most of the problem lies.
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Both Halal and Kosher meat is (or at least is supposed to be) slaughtered without the animals being first stunned. Having worked in an abattoir I can assure you that that process is not always as effective as it should be.
The Halal/Kosher meat has to have its throat cut in one cut by a religious person with a suitably blessed blade. The reason for not stunning is that all the blood should be pumped out by the animals heart before it expires. If it isn't the carcass cannot be considered halal/kosher and is supposed to be discarded.
Sorry to those of you eating as you read.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Right then, here goes. If "meat is meat" then why does it matter if it's free-range or factory farmed? Or if it's Halal, Kosher, or let's say "commercially" killed? Fact is these things do matter to people. Perhaps they should be forced to label meat according to its method of death and its religious effectiveness as well as its free or factory range? I for one would never knowingly support ANY food killed or otherwise prepared under any type of religious agenda. To me this is as offensive as proposing a stripper floor show in a mosque - now there's a thought! We campaign like hooligans for years about animal welfare and then turn a blind eye when it affects religious sensibilities.
Shit, this subject drives me MAD! Religious wants and needs should NOT be treated as so earth-shatteringly important. Nobody ever gives a monkey's ass if they offend us atheists in their desire to placate intolerant religious groups. We live in a secular society as far as I can remember.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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come on rick you are just being vindictive, of course your athiest views should respected, so should religious views.
my point is that secular action would advoid the present divide.
No - Rick makes a valid point. We quite rightly expect religious sensibilities to be respected, along with any other sensibilities, and that should include secularism. I have a faith and I expect you to respect it - I am vegan and I expect that to be respected. the conflict comes when a religion (and I make a distinction between a religion and a faith - religion is man made, faith is for me something else) dictates a conduct that conflicts with the cultural morees of the predominant culture. As with halal and the UK.
So now shoot me and call me a racist!!
Well Bern, as I posted on here a couple of weeks back, according to reliable sources WE are destined to become an ethnic minority in the not too distant future, so we ought to get used to doing things in a different way, and that includes perhaps accepting morees of the new predominant culture, aka anything but White Christian, Jew or Atheist. Afro Caribbean Halal anyone? Now, there's a thought eh?
