howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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always a contentious issue but after kent have been refused leave to open more this report suggests that they have no connection with social mobility.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25386784Keith Sansum1
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the two main parties cant make there mind up if they support them or not
but this report shows theres not all there made out to be
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At least I left mine being able to spell and punctuate
Bob Whysman
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I believe that Grammar school entry should still be based on ability and not your social standing in the community.
There are still bright children from 'poorer' families who have the ability to benefit from higher education but will not get the chance because of the current system. This is wrong especially at a time when our perceived standards of educational achievement are falling behind those of other countries.
I think many would agree with the following statement by David Davis MP whatever political party they support.
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That's the way working-class children get their chance in life, on an equal footing to children who can go to the private sector, and we should maintain that at all cost"
David Davis MP on grammar schools.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Yes David us correct
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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he also made the point that because there are now so few grammar school places it is the pushy/ambitious parents that manage to get their offspring in .
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part of the issue howard
noticed that in sevenoaks recently, a new grammar school was turned down to be built by the govt
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is what i was referring to obliquely in post 1 keith.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Did you choose to use that big word just in this thread Howard? lol
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Weird that they use free school meals as some sort of measure to define levels of poverty or, at least, a measure of class. I guess it typifies the appalling state of mind of politicians and educationalists.
It's one thing for socialists to use grammar schools as a tool of their class war fixation but for the tories to hate grammar schools and do their level best to destroy them is quite another.
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Surely anyone who is anyone can afford to privately educate their children, why the need for Grammar schools
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Grammar schools at least give those with the ability but limited funding to gain a superior education and we in Kent should be grateful for that.Those in power refusing to give this choice, and that is what it is about, normally have the financial ability to give their children a private education something denied to the majority of our children.
If you don't like grammar schools then don't send your children there but don't deny those who agree with them the opportunity to send their children there.
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Sevenoaks grammar school was opposed by Michael Gove.Even though two and half thousand parents signed a petition for it. If the proposal was for a so called Free school, Gove would have it built tomorrow. .Slimy toad..
Our young people have no chance with this arrogant government. Grammar schools are one of the pathways for social mobility for the squeezed middle and poorer families in our society...
I am sure two and half thousand people will not be voting Tory in Sevennoaks. Two and half thousand votes for UKIP?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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speaking of mr gove who was a keen trade unionist when he started out, but doesn't think that teachers should do what he is is doing here.
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Howard , thank you for this. Gove has not changed much .Once a idiot always a idiot.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard#
nothing unusual there, usual tory stuff
peter r
I did notice UKIP were in favour of grammar schools that will probably lose them votes down here, but as you say will probably do UKIP well in Sevenoaks, but having said that the Tory run KCC and District councils support grammars as well in sevenoaks
so not such as easy task for UKIP
Ken;
The earlier report shows that grammars do not reach those that you wish it to
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Keith S .Grammar schools are a choice for parents with limited funds. All our young people need an equal chance in life!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Mirror story doesnt quite agree with you
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Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Kevin McGuire is the edtor of the Mirror and I never agree with him either . Piers Morgan was a editor of the MIrror too. About sums it up .
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Having served on the KCC Education Committee for years and represented hundreds of children,
who have failed the eleven plus and witnessed the devastation caused to the whole family I am convinced
children should not be segregated by grammar schools .
We would all find our level / ability / achievement /potential etc without them.
Double blow to Tory hopes of a new dawn for grammar schools
As proposals for a 'satellite' school in Kent are rejected, Chief Inspector says the numbers fail to support claims that selection aids social mobility
To their supporters - including many among the Tory grassroots - grammar schools are an article of meritocratic faith, offering talented children from modest backgrounds the chance of a first-class education.
But the restoration of selective secondary education across the country looked further away than ever last night, after two hammer blows from the top of the education establishment.
First, the Government rejected plans to set up a "satellite" grammar school in the Sevenoaks area of Kent.
Then the Chief Inspector of Schools, Sir Michael Wilshaw, forcefully told a national newspaper that he did not see selection as a way to make up ground on other nations which had done better than the UK in international literacy and numeracy tests.
"Grammar schools are stuffed full of middle-class kids," he told The Observer. "A tiny percentage are on free school meals: 3 per cent. That is a nonsense. Anyone who thinks grammar schools are going to increase social mobility needs to look at those figures. I don't think they work."
Critics of selection have long argued that grammar schools pay too little attention to encouraging disadvantaged children to take up places - the national average for children on free school meals, the traditional discerner of poverty, is 17 per cent.
There are 164 remaining state grammar schools dotted around about 20 local authorities. Only a few, including Kent, retain a completely selective system.
