howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
with respect paul i think you are missing the point.
we all know that councils are strapped for cash and services have to suffer either through cuts or raising charges for certain services.
if we were simply told that something was going to happen to save money it would be understood, instead we get stuff like the fountain attracts the wrong type of individual, the flower troughs have to lie fallow etc etc.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
#18, 20, I think we all must have personal anecdotes about actions of pure spite by bin men.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Howard, I don't think the Fountain equates to major policy decisions.
The practical problems of the fountain are long standing & don't relate to budget constraints.
Neither do the planters which Sue N has described will be dealt with.
I don't want to deal with the history of who and why planters were neglected, that only renews controversy that is best "put to bed".
Needless to state that DTC's involvement in both museum & fountain projects are to be commended & noted as the way forward.
Watty
Paul as I said I can cope with being treated like an adult and am not unaware of the many potential reasons for the current economic state that we all face , what I dont like or respect is having changes slipped in , in the wake of a well advertised change, and then being told that its ok to do this as other councils have charged for longer .
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Sarah, I don't want to labour the point but JHG did not report anthing that was not publicly on the table.
Because cllrs did not respond is not surprising or disingenuous.
It was not denied or commented on in a way which has misled-that I would call disingenuous.
I accept it is not to people's liking but JHG is JHG & will play the game.
It is not slipped in but forms part of the Council's budget making process that occurs at this time of year -year in,year out.
I'll leave it at that & accept that you are disgruntled.
Watty
Paul I edited my post to remove that comment as I felt I was being less than fair
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Thanks Sarah.
I understand, I 've just zapped one on another matter.
Best
Watty
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,894
I do not think any of us have complained at paying DDC to remove our garden waste.
I do not want to pay the same as someone who can fill six bags a fortnight when I might only have six bags a year when my shrubs get pruned.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Thanks Jan,
The debate we are having is exactly that point you have identified.
Currently the service allows for up to 15 bags to be collected.
Obviously those costs are met by all [including flats & non users].
How do we equitably charge differentially?
Watty
Refund those that dont use the service and leave the system unchanged
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
Trouble is that administering such 'small' amounts in any details would outweigh the amount being talked about - probably similar to the heating allowances and similar.
Been nice knowing you :)
If they are such small ammounts then leave them alone or be clear and say that its not about parity of charging but about raising revenue ,
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
cheaper to buy a composting bin,works out cheaper in the long run,and good for your bedding plants.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,894
Paul W......"How do we equitably charge differentially?"..........
By the purchase of sacks that are not returned the whole sack goes into the back of the lorry. I would suggest we could buy ten or twenty at a time for whatever amount DDC decide on.
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
- Posts: 3,205
P aul I dont play games I report things that are happening or going to happen,I also realise there are somethings I can not report in the pink.But people have a right to know we are always pulling the Council up for not communicating and I see this forum as an ideal way to do that.It has been seen that some dont always agree with me,but it is a tool to let people know and get a general response.
For the last 2 weeks I have put my green waste out and it has not moved,my green waste is a Council tree that sheds it leaves in my garden,if I am charged to get rid of a Council's Tree waste what am I going to do,throw it back over the wall,No but some people will.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
What I haven't read on here is that this charge isn't compulsory - you can opt out, you can also buy a discounted compost bin if you wish to - which I will be doing.
£40 a year isn't a big sum is it ?
Roger
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
JHG you were reporting what was in the public domain. I have no problem with that, other than what you report & the way you report it gives the impression that you are giving away inside info. that the public is not privy to , which obviously is not the case.
A good tactic but we'll keep pointing out the reality.
Watty
Guest 731- Registered: 8 Nov 2011
- Posts: 241
£40 might not be a large sum but what do we pay our council tax for. We are paying more and more on top every year
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
- Posts: 6,950
It would be fairly pointless to argue here against the inevitability of households bearing the brunt in the struggle to get the quart of the past into the pint-pot of the present.
BUT!
What actually is garden 'waste'? Why not, Garden Surplus?
There IS money to be made in large-scale composting as there is Profit in small-scale composting, as any gardener would testify.
http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/compost.html
The blame can be shared.
If only the household would accept their part in recycling...
If only a council would see the local populace as partner and not solely as cash-cow...
There MUST be an ongoing cost to the Council in purchasing compost, mulch etc.
If only there could be partnership then this particular circle could be squared.
It must also be true that in the 'banding' of properties for local-taxation purposes those with gardens already pay more than those without.
In short....the best way to deal with 'waste' is to deal with the word itself and turn it into 'resource'.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
