howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the big question will be "the big question", as we know from previous votes of this sort.
http://ukip.org/page/a-referendum-stitchupBrian Dixon
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it depends on the vote in commons today on the eu budget.40 rebels are posed to cause trouble with the backing of labour[aledgly].should prove intresting all the same.
Keith Sansum1
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I dont think any of the three main parties would go for a vote
likely they may lose
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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It's a known fact that all polls state that the majority of people in Britain voting in an EU in/out referendum would vote for out.
We all know that there are plans not to ever have an in/out referendum, but that the EU must remain and that we MAY be allowed a referendum on full scale integration with EU Europe, or lesser integration with the EU.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the question should read should fully join the eu with the euro for currency.with a streait 3 answers as follows.
1,yes.
2,no.
3 bugger of.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if a referendum was worded thus there would be a resounding "no" vote brian, but as our betters are more federalist than you the wording would be set to guarantee a "yes" vote.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, Britain has fully joined the EU with the various Treaties that were signed by the Head of State.
All unconstitutional, as our Constitution expressly forbids the handing over of Sovereignty to foreign parliaments.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,what part of sovereignty dont you understand,it wouldnt effect it at all,not one eyeota.if you have ever read the uk's constition you understand it wouldnt.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard thats why i gave a third option,but it being a famly forum i had reprhase the third answer.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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we are in it for the long term, no party is committed to leave
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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That includes Barry's party, Keith. Barry keeps stating we must not have a referendum on the EU.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander - why on earth do you have to keep misrepresenting my views. Stick to speaking for yourself only.
I am more convinced that we will be out of this corrupt and incompetent organisation sooner than ever.
The problem is that a simple yes/no referendum will not do that and is more likely to lock us into the EU nightmare forever.
We do need a referendum but one on a re-negotiated relationship returning UK sovereignty on the Swiss model. Far better to offer an alternative to people rather than a leap into the unknown, it is far more likely to succeed.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, Switzerland is not a member of the EU.
You continually state that we must not have an in/out referendum on the EU. So you are in favour of Britain remaining in the EU.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Read what I am saying Alexander. Your continued refusal to actually try to understand what is being said and misrepresenting what is being said reflects badly on you. The fact that Switzerland is not in the EU is exactly my point. Now try thinking about what I have been saying, it is not rocket science.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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putting this into laypersons terms switzerland was a founding member of the european free trade association which enables them to trade freely with members of the european union without having to be answerable to them in any form.
sounds good to me as the only reason the eec was set up was for that purpose.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's what I voted for all those years ago - As Nigel Farage says, we have been lied to by successive Governments.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, unless we get an in/out referendum on the EU, we cannot talk of democracy, democratic participation and Sovereignty. Unless, of-course, a government is voted in that expressly campaigns for a full exit of the EU without a referendum.
Currently, to the best of my knowledge, all anti-EU parties are for a referendum: IN or OUT.
What Barry is proposing is the usual "spin". Just so as to tell us we "do not understand anything and are too dumb for an in/out referendum on the EU."
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Barry did explain the reasons some time ago, but I can't remember what it was; perhaps Barry you could post it again ?
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander. You once again ignore what I am saying and go off on your fantasies.
Speak only for yourself and stop putting words into my mouth. The only person making you out to be too dumb to understand is you.
I have said it many times before. A Yes/No vote sets us up to be locked in to the EU forever. The future of the UK on a roll of a dice loaded in favour of the Eurofanatics.
The political reality is that in such a referendum the EU lobby will fill the BBC and other media with scare stories. People in such circumstances will vote for the status quo. It is far easier to scare people than to argue a complex case. We will lose such a referendum. History and political experience tells us this.
The only way to get us out of the EU is via offering a positive alternative negotiated vision and not a leap into the unknown.
Alexander I do not know if you are being deliberately obtuse or lack the intelligence to understand what is being said. It is one of the two. I really do not care which but stop misquoting me and offer only your own opinions.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, you write:
"It is far easier to scare people than to argue a complex case."
That's proof of what I wrote, that you believe the majority of people in Britain are not capable of making an informed decision.
It also implies, in fact your whole constructed case on this issue implies, that the Tory leadership would tell people to vote for the EU. That is the fact, Barry, that the Tory leadership of your party is pro-EU.
You know they would all stand up and tell everyone to vote in favour of the EU.
This is why I do quote your stance on this fact, as you have expressed it accordingly.