Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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BarryW wrote:
GaryC - as someone so enthusiastic about paying tax, how much did you pay last year?
That is an intrusive question to ask on a public forum.
I would ignore if it was addressed to me as I suspect most would, I always understood tax payments by an individual to be private.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Intrusive, I agree. But as he is so keen on everyone paying a lot of tax it becomes a fair question to ask even if you do not expect an answer.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It's a very hard question to answer. Leaving aside income tax, which many (especially the low paid and those on benefits rightly don't pay, there are other taxes based on what you spend and where you live.
If most people added up the total of what they pay in NICs, VAT, council tax, fuel duty and road tax if they have a car, APD when they fly, IPT on their insurances, business rates and employer NICs if they own a business, alcohol and tobacco duties if they partake, it would dwarf their income tax bill. So whether a person pays income tax or not is pretty irrelevant when calculating the amount of his contribution to the exchequer.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That is true Peter but in this case I was referring to income tax and personal NI. I have mentioned in a previous thread/debate what I paid last year after all.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Well you know that Gary is full time carer for his wife and is therefore on benefits and unlikely to be paying income tax or NICs so I fail to understand the relevance of the question. Add up all the other taxes above Gary pays and I would suggest that his total tax bill as a percentage of his income is not far short of yours.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Peter.
The relevance of BarryW question is obvious, if not totally misguided.
What he is really wants to say is "why do I have the right to make comments on Tax when I don't pay any myself"?
BarryW. None is the answer, as you well know.
My question. " how much benefits did you receive last year"?
I am at a loss as to "But as he is so keen on everyone paying a lot of tax it becomes a fair question to ask even if you do not expect an answer"
That's is simply not true and as such, is offensive.
I could go into blowing my own trumpet, as you often do, about my working history but I won't bore the forum with silly tit 4 tat.
I will say that I am far more proud of my work history than you could ever be and as you have never experienced anything like the work that I have done, being proud of what you do, has no meaning for me at all.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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It was a cheap attempt at belittling you Gary, take if from whence it came.
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Barry. Just because Gary snipes at you from time to time is no reason to snipe back. He is in a totally different place from you and it's wrong that you should try to hold him up as a freeloader when he has a distinguished history of hard work and voluntary work. You have all the advantages (admittedly because of your own efforts) but I think you are treating Gary unfairly and you should try to build bridges with those whose lives have not gone according to plan rather than knocking them.
An apology would go down well with all concerned.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Although BW did not go to Eton he has the same motto.....``Never apologise.....Never explain``
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Import duties on imported items from the Far East produced at rubbish prices should be about 1,000%, and the proceeds used to compensate unemployed Brits at home.
What we have now has nothing to do with fair trade and commerce.
Fair trade and commerce currently is a myth, it's something we still need to introduce.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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mmmmm intresting a Christian jihad against imports.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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50, then there will be no imports and therefore no proceeds.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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No, Peter. The monthly salary of £30 a month would equate to £330 a month at 1,000% import duty, still far too cheap to be called fair trade.
The High St. chains would still make huge profits.
But then, if per chance 1,000% did deter rubbish price imports, all the better, as then unemployed Brits would find work on the Home-Front once our factories opened up again.
We need a government with the guts to carry it through.
Just a no-nonsense policy. No questions asked, no ifs, no buts.
We need a strict-discipline government, low on politics, generous in fair practice, and no arguments!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In fact, a government of principles, of few words and as un-political as possible.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Young people would get up, go under the cool(ish) shower, have a coffee, assemble in the street, march to work, all in regimental fashion.
Six hours a day, four days a week, £10 an hour net, rent at £100 a month.
Choice to work more hours at will.
Two months a year guaranteed paid holidays.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The UK High Street chain stores the other day were justifying their policy of paying £60 a month to labourers in the Far East, saying it is double the average minimum wage in those countries.
They have now started (for the first time) to send representatives to these factories of theirs in those countries to make sure they have fire exit doors.
Hopefully these stores go bankrupt and we have a new kind of shop in Britain run by people who are not ruthless and who purchase from British factories.
Until such time we will have millions of unemployed people here and a bankrupt economy.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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our major stores do not hire people in third world countries, they simply sign contracts with companies there who then employ people.
there really is little point in making personal inspections as they will be shown somewhere completely different to where the goods are made.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yes you are right, Howard, it was just a ploy on the part of the High St. chains - discredited after the Bangladesh catastrophe where over 1,000 people died in five garment factories supplying Britain and the West.
In reality, these High St. stores couldn't really care less either for millions of impoverished and unemployed Brits not allowed to work in a UK factory, nor for the garment factory workers in the Far East who get £30-60 a month.
We need laws that guarantee a fair trade and commerce pact. This law is to be called the Social Pact.
Things will change. It will be part of the British Constitution.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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its a game of two halves,
1,go to jack wills in Canterbury and buy a pair of boxer shorts british made ones for a fiver....or
2,go to marks and spencers and get four [4] pairs of non british made ones for the same price.
now what would you do,
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The result of fair trade and commerce being trampled down, Brian, is that Britain has millions of unemployed people, a trade deficit, a public debt of £1 trillion, and youth unemployment over 20%.
Millions of impoverished people, spending cuts non-stop, a failed Government that does not have a clue... and people trying to make money by exploiting cheap labour in other countries.
Anything less than fair trade and commerce regulations cannot be accepted.
This will be part of Britain's future Prosperity: fair trade and commerce.
British workers will be able to find work in British factories and receive a decent salary.
Rubbish-price imports will be banned!