howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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as i see it each country hands over their finances to the central body then waits eagerly to see what pocket money they will give back.
the greeks are just the first victim.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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ross,i didnt say the treaty was propagander,its whats coming out of goverment thats propagander.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Sorry Brian, you are such a Europhile, you can't see what is in front of you. I can't see any point in discussing it further with you as you are blind to other views.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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roger,its like banging ones head against a brick wall,but those eurosceptics need to take those rose tinted glasses off and get down to the nitty gritty of it.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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LOL Brian - perhaps you should start facing the facts of the EU.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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what ever barry,seen the facts,read the book and got the autograff,
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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oh forgot,i've got the t-shirt as well.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Our sovereignty certainly hasn't remained intact these past years otherwise we would be free to send undesirables back to their country of origin without having to justify the actions to some group of unelected numpties in Brussels.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that being a part of the EU is not in Britain's best interests. Leaving may be painful but the alternative will be even more so in the long run I believe.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ev'ry day we pay £50 to the EU. This sums up everything
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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I take that's each Alex?
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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phil
i think you are confusing the european court of human rights with the european union.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Quite possibly Howard, just a different bunch of unelected numpties!
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I seem to remember that if a country wants to join the eu it has to sign up to the human rights thingy first.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That is correct Peter and if you leave the ECHR then that means you would have to leave the EU. A good deal that, we could get rid of two millstones for the price on one....
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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"Human rights, democracy and the rule of law are core values of the European Union. Embedded in its founding treaty, they were reinforced when the EU adopted the Charter of Fundamental Rights in 2000, and strengthened still further when the Charter became legally binding with the entry into force of the Lisbon Treaty in 2009.
Countries seeking to join the EU must respect human rights. And all trade and cooperation agreements with third countries contain a clause stipulating that human rights are an essential element in relations between the parties".
Those millstones! You couldn't make it up! The sooner we can abandon them the better!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - the ECHR was a creation of this country as a response to what happened in the 30's and 40's. The problem is that it has extended its remit far beyond what was originally considered and it has turned into a farce and liability. I am all for respecting 'real' Human Rights but that definition is no longer being applied sensibly. The row over deporting that terrorist to Jordan is a demonstration of that.
Ross Miller
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Sadly we are ill suited to pontificate on human rights given our record over the last 50 years in front of the beaks of the ECHR
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Mark is right, and, as I too have expressed previously on the Forum, the Human Rights Act is actually a founding constitution of the EU.
Barry is also right in stating that it is or British origin.
But the Human Rights charter was abused by the Labour government, as hundreds of thousands of British families on council house waiting lists were turned down and the houses given to asylum seekers on disembarking at Heathrow airport.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Was that a fact Alexander (about asylum seekers being given houses over British families on council waiting lists) or an urban myth and just something that the general public assumed was going on ?
Most of the British public thought (think) that is exactly what happens, but it doesn't make it true though.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ross: I could not disagree more. So much of what the ECHR has ruled on is simply mad.
Too many rights and no duties to balance those rights is a curse on this country, not all of it the fault of the ECHR but our own HRA, probably the worse piece of domestic legislation to have been passed since the War.