howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 February 2011
10:3192707peter
he stood trial for involvement in the murder of a business partner.
DT1- Location: Dover
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15 February 2011
20:2792790Sorry I didn't explain myself. I was just thinking about selling off HMS Victory. The sale of forests (our geography) to some is like the sale of historical icons to others.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 February 2011
22:2292797But at the end of the day as long as the 'icons' are protected, the public has access and the history is preserved, does it really matter who owns it? Many, many historical icons along with much ancient woodland is privately owned, protected and cherished.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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15 February 2011
23:0792800There are plenty of ownership and governance structures which would provide a more secure future for national assets than being owned by the state. As long as an asset is owned by the state it has the potential to become a political football. The state has no business owning the means of production unless you are a Marxist. Assets with the potential to be managed commercially should be so managed, by business people not civil servants.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 February 2011
13:1592854I am in a action group called 38degrees,you can log into them on
action@38degrees.org.uk.
I have been in this group from day one which has now beening going over 3years there are over 200,000 in this group.
We sent in a petition campaigning that the government keep English forests safe and do not sell them off,the petition was
sighed by well over 500,000 strong and sent to the goverment before they voted on the sell of the forests.
At the same time I emailed our MP asking him to vote against the bill.
Well as you they voted for selling them off, and I can tell you that our own MP voted in favour of the sell off, after the vote I again emailed our MP asking why he had done that, he wrote along letter back to me telling me why he had done that and I respect him for doing that but did not agree with him.
But I am glad to see that the government have stop the sell off for now.
But the 38degrees will still keep campaigning till we know that the woodlands are protect for future generations.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
07:5792938But why is it a natural assumption that if in private hands, they will be ruined ?
It is still a small prortion of the forests that are owned by the State/Forestry Commission; are they so much better than those in private ownership ?
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
08:0192940You are correct Roger. Sadly fear of change and scare stories create emotion that overrides logic, experience and common sense.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
09:4292953Well on the news this morning they are saying that the sell off of our woodlands has been stoped for good,lets hope that turns out to be true.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
14:2492981Well this also shows that the public can stop bills being pass if they all act at the same time.As I put in the post before 38degrees is a very good action group and is not in any party ,so please think about joining up with them and make yourself heard when the need be,One out now is fuel costs come and join us now do not wait.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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17 February 2011
15:0292984Hopefully, if in the future a group of citizens feel that their local Forestry Commission heritage woodland is being managed to the detriment of their community, it will not stop them mounting a bid to take it into community mutual ownership?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
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17 February 2011
15:1992987What an about face by the government, well done to them for admitting they were wrong.
Miracles can happen after all.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
15:3892988Jan,if had not been for the public the sell off would have gone ahead.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2011
15:4292990I suspect that it is actually bad news for our woodland.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 February 2011
15:4392991shrewd move by ms spellman just to admit to getting it wrong, puts an end to the subject.
once a politician starts to wheedle it stays in the public consciousness.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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17 February 2011
15:5992998No doubt this will hasten Caroline Spellmans return to the back benches, she seems wholly out of her depth on the front benches. A pleasant individual its true, but hopelessly out powered by others and untapped into the public psyche. Mr Cameron must be spitting feathers at the mention of her name right now, as this forrest flogging idea has been an awful mess from day one and with no prospect of even saving money.
I saw her pushing this on the BBC's Question Time and absolutely everyone hated it. From little Libdem enclaves in Northumbria, to Conservative hamlets in the shires, to the spirited Labour council housed voters of Hackney..everyone hated it.
It was heartening to see the nation united on something!!
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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17 February 2011
16:1093003Exactly Vic and the government admitted they got it wrong.
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Brian Dixon
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17 February 2011
18:4793031bad news for daves big sociaty by having to keep doing u-turns,if image matters this is not helping.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 February 2011
19:2593043brian
my prediction for the next u turn is the proposed "hs2" rail link.
the protestors are well clued up people who don't want their suroundings spoiled.
the line goes through safe blue seats, this will not go ahead.