howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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With all the `U` turns the `Big Society`being kicked into touch Flashman`s fellow tories are continually spiking his bubble.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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All big society means is that we will be getting much less government and its quite right we should. The retreat from all powerful, all interfering government in under way.
Governments by definition are incompetent and the less the do, the less they tax us and the less they spend and interfere the better.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Well Barry, you know the Tories way better than I. So I bow to your description of them in Government.
Perhaps we should all take a leaf out of the teenagers' book and ensure that we carry a knife that is bigger than the next guys'.
OR
We each should endeavour to pay into the party fund and so become a 'preferred citizen'?
Far better, it would seem from what you say, that we get the Government that we pay for rather than one we did not vote for.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
DT1- Location: Dover
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I still can't get over the paradox presented. Being told by a government not to expect the government to sort everything out. In which case, why should we listen to them telling us not to expect them to sort things out if we are not expecting them to sort things out for us in the first place.
Big society...big joke.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Profound stuff Barry-and an accurate description of 'Big Society'-the definition is now colloquial.
Big Society...Big justification ... The name is not important ... it's the spirit that carries it forward. It's nothing to do with the current form of government (whatever damned party)- it's to do with a completely new way of administration-which has got to happen or everything will just turn to Rat's. The producers have now the opportunity to prove their worth by giving their time FOC. Those who refuse to volunteer will just fall by the wayside-those who do will achieve what they want with minimal government interference-and could receive altruistic finance facilities. Fortunes could well be made, but for the right reasons-ie as reward for excellent effort.
Paradox is just an excuse for inaction-just get your act together and make a difference-don.t worry about the government-they have given us Big Society(just happens to have been the Conservatives). Any government-and they would all be in the same boat -will have been forced to give the people this option(whatever they call it) in the current circumstances-there is not enough cash for anything else. It is not an imposition-it is a right!If you're out of work don't worry just claim benefit and do voluntary work for your favourite cause. Don't and you may well be subjected to stigma. (So what).
This is the way forward... it's inevitable
Never give up...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Good philosophy, DT1.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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...End of the 'Big Society'? -Nahh-it's just the beginning...
Never give up...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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could well be richard, we may all end up running our own soup kitchens.
alternatively dining at one.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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End of the name, perhaps. End of the concept, never.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Big society was actually introduced by Col. Gedaffi, who claimed that the less big government there is, the better. Very much in line with Barry W.
He introduced popular assemblies at local level.
I know this sounds strange, and that I will inevitably be hosannered down in flames
, but if you read even a few phrases of the Jamahiriya constitution, you'd see that it corresponds to what Barry has been writing against big government.
Almost word for word!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Not too sure what PM Cameron will say when he reads this, though!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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flashman and the colonel - has a certain ring to it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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just to remind readers that the front page shows people playing out the "big society" in real terms.
it goes without saying that groups like "white cliffs countryside partnership" and the "western heights preservation society" volunteers have been cracking away making our local countryside accessible to us well before the fly by night politicians coined the phrase.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Volunteers............there will always be Volunteers.........sadly never a `Big Society`....Cameron`s `back to basics`
sequel dream................out of touch with what is happening back on the farm!!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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No it is not the end ,for about ayear now I have been talking about the Localism bill to all the four councils that I sit on,+one or two public meetings,I have been trying to tell them that the days of being a parish cllr and only talking about things they can not do anything about,or geting a salt bin fill up, are over,they will need to get their heads around the above bill,because alot more responsibility is heading their way,and they will all have to read planning drawings etc.and this goes for town councils aswell which is also a parish council,I think over the next few years I can see the councils not geting the kind of cllr that are needed,and some of the older ones giving up because they can not keep up with what is happing. You can download that bill and see for yourself what I am talking about. Every meeting I go to I have it with me.Do I agree with the bill,it is a yes to most of it councils should take on more responsibility,and have more say +doing some of the work ,around them.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Did you know Vic, that Kent Association of Local Councils have voted to push for it to made illegal to sit on more than two councils, or on more than two levels of government?
Lets have less big government then our lives can be run by the multi nationals and instead of taxes we can pay inflated prices.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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That is not true, I was at that meeting,but even if they do, that would not make it law.I would think if you aske all the cllrs, have you read and do you understand the Localism, bill more then half would say no,even some saying what are you talking about.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i had heard that about restricting councillors, not read the localism bill myself but i have been told that it is unreadable anyway.
people who have been on courses studying it say that it basically means a lot of people will be cut adrift by the scrooge like government.
DT1- Location: Dover
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Right so now the WCCP is now a big society project. I seem to remember that being around when I was a kid. Does that we can post-rationalise other projects as 'big society' in which case I think the Levellers were also interested in big society, Mr Cameron will be very pleased.
It's a good job that Vic is on the ball, being able to read planning drawings. We are all safe in the realms of localism.