Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Except Deal is obsessed with slagging off Dover. Misplaced snobbery. And all the snobs like to think of themselves as lefties and "socialists"! Hah! Deluded, privileged hypocrites too.
If you're not interested why do you keep posting on here? Why don't you clear off to the Deal forum or is Deal not significant enough to have one, as not so long ago it progressed from being a village?
And why don't you have the courage to use your real name?
Dovoians should take a long look at themselves, should they? So it's our fault?
Oh wait... I remmber a month ago The Guardian was bigging up Dover as a good place to live.
I dismiss this survey as having as much credibility as those fake Facebook apps that are infesting social media at the moment.
Simple-minded, fake, tabloid fodder.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
Jack Heart wrote:
So here is a suggestion. Get rid of DDC and stop worrying about neighbouring towns who aren't really interested in your woes and sort your town out.
Here is my suggestion, maybe those who do not live in this town should keep their noses out of our town's affairs and all the negative comments they keep making about Dover at every opportunity.
No town will ever be perfect regardless of who lives there or who runs it.
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Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Andrew Stucken wrote:Except Deal is obsessed with slagging off Dover. Misplaced snobbery. And all the snobs like to think of themselves as lefties and "socialists"! Hah! Deluded, privileged hypocrites too.
If you're not interested why do you keep posting on here? Why don't you clear off to the Deal forum or is Deal not significant enough to have one, as not so long ago it progressed from being a village?
And why don't you have the courage to use your real name?
Dovoians should take a long look at themselves, should they? So it's our fault?
Oh wait... I remmber a month ago The Guardian was bigging up Dover as a good place to live.
I dismiss this survey as having as much credibility as those fake Facebook apps that are infesting social media at the moment.
Simple-minded, fake, tabloid fodder.
Andrew you are absolutely correct. Dover is a great place to live and this is just fake news which has been orchestrated by lefties in Deal.
Lets catch up and review again in ten years time.
Jack of Hearts
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
- Posts: 1,039
So are you saying this has real credibility?
A true indicator of good/bad places to live would be scientifically based and include many indices. This is some worthless popularity poll.
Lefties in Deal? Not sure there are that many. Fake lefties? Shedloads.
I was living in Deal before half its current residents had even hrard of it. It was the great transport links and areas like Mill Hill and Freemans Way that attrcated me.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Have to laugh at some of the comments on social media especially the ones that think Dover is full of "imigrunts" when the facts are that we have one of the smallest number of ethnic minority chaps/chapesses in the country and most of those were born here.
I do think that those who live in Dover and slag it off so much should consider moving somewhere else, preferably soon.
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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As I have said many times, Dover is used as a repository for others' disowned racism.
If this silly survey proves anything it is the level of hidden racism in the UK. Dover = migrants in the British mind.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Have to laugh at some of the comments on social media especially the ones that think Dover is full of "imigrunts" when the facts are that we have one of the smallest number of ethnic minority chaps/chapesses in the country and most of those were born here.
I do think that those who live in Dover and slag it off so much should consider moving somewhere else, preferably soon.
The problem is Howard you achieve nothing by getting rid of Dover's most successful and prominent residents rather than listening to them.
Jack of Hearts
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
Agree with the sentiment here; modern day click bait nonsense all designed for people to pile in with migration related comments. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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I give up. The biggest obstacle for Dover is delusional Dovorian's who just can't seem to handle reality.
Goodbye Dover Forum
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Tatty-bye, then. If that is aimed at me (and it obviously is at least in part) I am afraid you are wrong.
Funny, I have been accused of being over-critical yet now I am delusional about its faults.
I am not saying Dover is perfect. Far from it. Just not that it is as bad as this dubious survey makes out.
I also disagree with your analysis of the biggest thing holding it back.
If you are genuinely interested in its well being see you at the Town Team meeting this evening and we can also get to discover your true identity.
No hard feelings.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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An excellent read especially about our town centre buildings, I tend to look up rather often and admire the flourishes added when they were built that make so many stand out and also that former Post Office in King Street which is a gem.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Good article.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
As stated earlier Dover has a poor town centre
But there are so many positives
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
All towns have their problems, the key is surely to recognise them and agree ways to fix them. We could all have a pop at other towns and point out their problems but to be honest it serves no purpose other than pi55ing off the residents of those towns.
Dover's problems are exacerbated by ineffectual local authorities who are too busy congratulating themselves and unnecessarily spending our money on themselves (DTC) or too removed from and disinterested in the town to really do anything constructive or positive (DDC/KCC) - this is also true to a greater or lesser extent for the other towns in the district.
The lack of a substantial middle class also hinders community led progress, as does a disinterested but rapacious DHB.
There are however many positives and green shoots especially at community level with a number of neighbourhoods as well as the wider community having strong resident led forums that are starting to make a real difference (LRCF, Tower Hamlets, Clarendon & Westbury, Triangles/St Radigunds, Dover Transition Team, Footprints, Dover Community Association & Dover Big Local to name a few). We all need to get behind these initiatives, support them and start to make a real difference to and for our home.
Oh and let's stop moaning...
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I was watching 'Question Time' on TV a short while back, and one of the panellists was a Daily Mail columnist who insisted, whilst having a bit of a temper tantrum, that the Mail only printed the truth. Naturally, if a journalist (??) says this it must be true.
Anyway....on this forum alone, that rag has got its way and has caused trouble between the residents of Dover and Deal, all over a load of fabrications from the paper, and what I assume to be tongue-in-cheek comments from our posters.
It is journalism (for want of a better word) like this that allows the unpleasant tories to get votes, and allow scumbags like gove and hunt into powerful positions, because the rag-reading public get carried away by by the rhetoric with complete disregard for any facts. I believe that it was the Mail which printed the '£350 million per week for the nhs if we leave europe' story, which has since turned out to be a fabrication, but may have had enough influence at the time to sway the brexit vote.
It would be very sad if a scummy story, invented by a scummy journalist for a scummy 'newspaper' were to spoil this forum and cause members to leave.
It 's just a story, not the truth !
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It was the Express that acted as house magazine for UKIP then later backed the Leave campaign. Words were chosen very carefully with phrases like "we could spend that money on our NHS" and "do you think the money would be better spent on our NHS" but never an actual promise although many people must have been taken in.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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A chance to view "A town on the edge "It gives views of residents how they see our town
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think it seems to be forgotten by some who like to deride our town that major businesses are investing in the DTIZ and they don 't do stuff like that without doing their homework and knowing that their shareholders will benefit. I would never have thought that a multiplex cinema would come our way add to that a major hotel group opening and big name players like Next and Marks and Spencer committing.
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