Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I wouldn't take that website too seriously, over the years I have seen Chipping Norton, Virginia Water and those villages on the Wirral where our Premier League stars live get the treatment by assorted pseudonyms. The tabloids lap it up as serious even though there are orchestrated on line campaigns in certain towns including ours.
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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I also take it with a pinch of salt. How rigorous were the criteria? Have half the respondents even seen the town? I doubt it.
It's a classic of attribution - i.e. give a dog a bad name.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We keep being told by our "posher" neighbours that we are down market of them but all I read on social media is of low level crime and anti-social behaviour blighting Deal, so much so that they are getting extra police patrols.
As for Walmer!!
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Interesting. I imagined all such behaviour was confined in Dover while Deal was a pristine utopia. A bit like Italo Calvino's "Invisible Cities".
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4657266/Dover-not-herpes-infested-s-hole-say-residents.html
The Daily Fail is going to town. However, they have highlighted my favourite High Street empty shops opposite M & S. I have told the Daily Mail how the "ordinary" townsfolk have complained and complained about the state of it all.
Only to be totally ignored.
Now, we hit top headlines and it is nationwide.
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- Location: Dover
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Christine,words fall on deaf ears,
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Dover is just like every other town in the country it has its good points and it has its bad such as the area Christine mentions.
The problem is that the majority of the more vocal residents just love to complain about everything and think everyone else should put things right but them, they simply sit on their keyboards and moan.
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Guest 2077- Registered: 4 May 2017
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Or could it be the 1st thing you see when you walk in to the market square is drunks? Or maybe go for a lovely stroll in the park... Drunks.
But I do agree Dover is the same as most other towns, it is unfortunate that some people forget about all the good parts
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Fake news. Presenting opinions as facts.
One person says he doesn't think there are any upsides to living here, ergo, there are not.
If Dover residents vored for this, it is self harm.
As for "herpes infestred", are there any stats to back this up?
"People have said so, so it must be." is another silly quote.
You don't need to be Wittgenstein to demolish the logcal fallacies there.
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Slagging off Dover has become a habit, I was at a meeting with senior DDC councillors and officers around 5 years ago, they held Dover people in contempt. Its been a mystery to me for years how the busiest passenger port in Europe, with one of the most visited sites in the country, the closest town to the Continent, with a cruise terminal, is such a mess.
Have a look at the people running it for the last 30 years and you'll find the answer, some of them post on here from time to time.
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Guest 2077- Registered: 4 May 2017
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Today in market square I saw 1 person begging outside the Chinese food shop, 1 person begging at the traffic lights but then to top it off I saw tourist's trying to take a picture of the crown (where the fountain was) and had to go for a different angle as there was a pissed up bloke asleep there.
This is why Dover is seen as a bad place.
If that is your 1st impression it will stick
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Guest 1292- Registered: 23 Jun 2014
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"Have a look at the people running it for the last 30 years and you'll find the answer, some of them post on here from time to time."
Could not agree more. Most of those in senior Management positions at DDC and senior politicians, do not live in Dover. DDC CMT members live in Sandwich, Deal, Canterbury and Temple Ewell. Senior politicians, i.e. Cabinet members, with I believe the exception of Nigel Collor, live anywhere but Dover.
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Keith Sansum1
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So let's get into this a little, Dover has so much to offer even with a poor town centre, managed correctly it could be so much better.
It has a lot of positives.
Of course it would be nice to seem some on here who slag off those who bother to put themselves out for little reward, put themselves forward to be leading lights on these councils etc.
Of course many have tried and failed at the ballot box
Whilst we should talk up the positives we should also be a critical friend.
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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The fightback begins
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:So let's get into this a little, Dover has so much to offer even with a poor town centre, managed correctly it could be so much better.
It has a lot of positives.
Of course it would be nice to seem some on here who slag off those who bother to put themselves out for little reward, put themselves forward to be leading lights on these councils etc.
Of course many have tried and failed at the ballot box
Whilst we should talk up the positives we should also be a critical friend.
Sansum you're one of the people I'm talking about, a Councillor for 25 years.
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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If DDC were half as efficient at improving the area as they are at bullying and threatening people who are a few days late paying their outrageous Council Tax demands, Dover would look like Beverley Hills.
They could also use local businesses, instead of trying to destroy them.
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Karlos- Location: Dover
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Judging by this forum, it's probably Deal residents slagging off the town in these surveys.
Perhaps in future, everyone in Dover needs to take part to talk the town up.
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- Location: Dover
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I wouldn’t read anything into this: the source (ilivehere) is a social media presence devoted to faux outrage, and the ‘results’ of the ‘survey’ were published in a tabloid devoted to faux outrage.
That’s not to say that Dover doesn’t have problems. I was born here (though I left and returned, shortly to be leaving again for good - sorry folks), and I have seen the deterioration, some of which is due to social and economic trends beyond the control of local authorities, and some of which is due to the unwillingness or inability of local authorities to respond at all or more than tardily to those trends. But name almost any other town with a similar demographic and you’ll very likely see the same thing.
But here’s my point: it is precisely the town’s largely working-class make-up that generates the carping, sniping and snide comments. That is, the insults are hugely class-based (and quite often racist). An insufferable and debilitating class-snobbery is at work here, and my good guess is that, even if there were no such problems with the town, the misanthropes responsible would find some other group on which to vent their spleen.
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Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Karlos wrote:Judging by this forum, it's probably Deal residents slagging off the town in these surveys.
Perhaps in future, everyone in Dover needs to take part to talk the town up.
Yes Deal residents have been slagging off Dover for years as have most inhabitants of Kent. But when you come first in a national survey of worst towns in England perhaps Dovorians need to take a hard long look at themselves and their town rather than just lay the blame elsewhere.
Dover District Council was formed in 1974 and I would suggest the town of Dover was a formidable town back then.
So here is a suggestion. Get rid of DDC and stop worrying about neighbouring towns who aren't really interested in your woes and sort your town out.
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