Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Very true DT1, all this analysing between the various politicos on here is rubbish. The simple fact is that the electorate in Dover District voted out those who were no good and the decisions were right, and voted in those who they considered would be able to do something positive for the town. Democracy at its best.
Barry the Conservatives lost hundreds of seats, whether you like it or not and whether it was a protest vote or not, the public said enough is enough and threw a lot out.
Keith Sansum1
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quite right dave1
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Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Thankyou Keith, I tend to simplify things and the simple facts are that the Tories seem to be on a slide, bedroom tax, countless u turns, NHS reforms, Europe, coupled with a stagnant growth have all added to their woes.
In Dover the closure of the lavatories, the great pulling down ceremony of the old bus station and the promise that the re-generation is finally underway have resulted in nothing.
People are fed up with countless excuses, especially when they see other towns being improved.All this talk of quality homes and shops is pure tosh, what we need first and foremost is a quality Council.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Dave1
I hope that you will allow me to advise/give a view/let you know,
The council is, and always has been officer led, where the councillors play lip service to what should be achieved, there are so many instances of this.
The planning dept has featured in many threads and until we get a positive outlook from them, not much will change.
Now back to the councillors, sadly we are in a difficult postion, we rely on those that can commit the time to councils, but may welk not be the best for the job.
Commiting time means your a businessperson, unemployed or OAP
maybe not the best people.
Of those that do get elected if we look at the District council, we could probably get away with 15 cllrs rather than the present 45
as many do very little, are not known to the electorate, and give a bad name to councillors.
Councillors do get an allowance but no where near enough to compensate losing a wage, thus the wrong people put up, or those that would make good councillors cant afford the time off work so we end up with the same ones.
One idea would be to reduce the number of cllrs and have so many full time, but with a remit of accountability9not just every 4 years via ballot box)
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Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Some good points there Keith but if the council is officer led then what is the point of them at all?
Other councils do not appear to have the same problems and attract exactly the same type of councillors.
Would it not be better if we abolished one of the two councils, the Town Council seems to be pretty useless, also abolish the Parishes of Whitfield and River, they are really just suburbs of Dover, they are certainly no longer parishes such as say Lydden or Alkham.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I'm sure i'v highlighted this before but will go over it again,
I believe in decisions being made as local as possible, so a need for an accountable town council.
We do have 3 councils and we could realy get away with having just 2
I would go the other way to you Dave1.
I would do away wih the KCC, and give these powers jobs to the District.
The District could become an east kent council doing away with a large number of cllrs.
That could be a start
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, Labour is the DTIZ of failed policies.
They got 9 councillors in Maidstone, about half of what UKIP managed.
It will be interesting to hear what Kent's UKIP councillors will have to say and propose.
Labour is rather insignificant in this context, little more than a protest voice in Kent's policies.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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UKIP across the country did well even though you disowned them alexander
Seats all coming from tory strongholds, but they still did well
but as you dont support local govt, or ukip doesnt realy matter to you does it
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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agree totally with posts 64 and 65 including the points raised about parish councils.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Point of order... the DTIZ has not progress under both a tory and labour maladministration.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You're right, Lesley, but the Tories are Burlington House. All part of the same complex, admittedly.
Keith, contrary to you, I did not vote against UKIP, nor campaign against them.
Brian Dixon
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thank you Lesley.and it wont until some bright spark gets there finger out.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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But you did alexander you allowed labour in
and stopped ukip and the tories from winning by not voting
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, UKIP didn't even post a leaflet here!
How was I supposed to know what UKIP would offer once they were to become part of Kent's Government?
Our new Kentish Government needs to stand up and challenge the Cabinet in London.
This is our County!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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UKIP leafleted Eythorne. So did Labour and the Tories. And a certain independent who owns a pub in Russell St.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The only thing i agree with on alexanders comments is that had UKIP leafleted and been more active in the Dover Town seat they would probably have have had an even bigger majority over 4th and 5th placed collor and beresford the two tories
and could even have challenged more closely the two winning labour cllrs
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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A press release from the Labour group..still get some in..in connection with my former role..
will add a couple of our own pictures from the archives.
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Local Labour celebrates a four fold increase in its County Council seats
Labour's Parliamentary Candidate, Clair Hawkins says that increasing their number of seats in the constituency from one to four shows that local people are rejecting the Tories and returning their support to Labour.
Clair said:
"We still have more progress to make, especially in the villages but Labour now holds all the seats in the towns of Dover and Deal which gives us a positive platform to build on for the General Election, likely to be in 2015.
Bad Boy Charlie !
"Since Mr Elphicke arrived in the constituency we have seen the Tories use some nasty negative campaign tactics but during this election they sunk to a new low. Putting aside their undue claims that they delivered the High Speed Train link and are responsible for Dover's new Community Hospital, their personal attacks on individual Labour Councillors were beyond the pale - even for 'the nasty party'.
"Personal attacks put people off getting involved in politics but I am glad most people saw through the Tory tactics and voted Labour. Politicians need to listen and work with local people to rebuild trust and make positive changes and this is what Labour and I will strive to do."
PS:
Top shot shows Clair with Gordon Cowan..one of the successful candidates..in the background left you can see Conservative Nigel Collor who lost this time around.Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Nice press release and some of what claire says is correct although she forgot bits lol
She forgot,,,,,
1; UKIP made a big surge across Kent gaining 17 seats mainly from the tories
2; unfortunatly they elected two in Deal
3; Claire forgets she herself divided labour by being parachuted in and not giving males the opportunity to oppose her
selection
on the more positive side
Labour can take a little heart that they now have 13 seats, this is still far short of the number of cllrs they had in only years gone by when they had over 20
so a long way to go
Labour can no longer sit back and rely on people voting for them, Gordon worked hard during the 4 weeks covering every house, which hasnt happened for some time, and thus why the result was as it was, it has to be said last election 4 years ago i kept falling over so many tories in Dover they were well organised, and loads of volunteers
this time round there were few tories out, as though they had already accepted defeat was noticable.
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DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
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Nobody should underestimate what UKIP have achieved.
They are springing up everywhere, much like the newbuild developments that spring up on green field sites. If we compare UKIP to the built environment then here we have our example:
Built to look like the style yesterday's Britain, but not possessing any of the craftsmanship or sentiment. Double locking front doors, inviting in looks but armoured to keep people out, and the fear in. Victorian sash windows made from uPVC, saving heating costs but bulky and lacking proportion. High walls and fences, safety by cutting themselves off. Ceramic house numbers, hand painted in Spain (great holiday, enjoyed having a fry up everyday) And last but not least, what's going on inside? A world of magnolia painted walls and IKEA furniture - no imagination, no vision, no soul.
Also with these houses, we know they look like England (comfort for some) but all know that in reality they are quite flimsy and often poor in build quality.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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nothing like a good allegory to start the bank holiday with, hadn't heard much personal stuff bandied about during the campaign but appears to have had a negative impact.
