Keith Sansum1
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#1
Today it has become quite clear that the minister given the power to sort out the N.H.S. got it all badly wrong, and now the tory led cobbled together government have had to climb down, and are left with a very watered down proposal on the N.H.S.
It's clear this has been done to please the cobbled together govt's lib dem minority party. and i think cameron has lost a lot of credibility for his cobbled together govt on this one issue.
Already leading tories are moaning that they are having to take to much notice of a finished lib dem party, and this latest proposal is just seen as a dogs breakfast.
it looks like this is another debate that will go on and on
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#2
It might have done your Labour government some good if now and then they were honest enough to say they were wrong and change course Keith. Instead they always blustered and bluffed refusing ever to admit an error.
Cameron's statement is a breath of fresh air, saying he was wrong and accepting responsibility. Now I do not ever remember any Labour Minister saying that...
Personally I do not think they were anywhere near radical enough with their NHS reforms, but now is not the time to confront the vested interests even over Lansley's timid proposals.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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#3
Keith, with the greatest respect you are beginning to irritate with the repeated "cobbled together government", once in almost every post is bad enough but to repeat it, it is driving me
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#4
Not my govt matey
but prefer the labour party t this cobble together lot.
Looks like this minister cant remain,
he got it all badly wrong, he cant please his party many already calling for his head,
Camero seriously damaged by this geezer, who's time must be up.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#5
Again we see more U-Turns "When are they going to get it right first time round?,keep this up and we will be back to where we started. mind you that might not be bad we could then go back to the polls.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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#6
One way to try and achieve the right answer is to give the extreme thought first and gauge the reaction, then modify until it is hopefully right. Hardly a u-turn.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#7
Jan this govt (cobbled) lol
has made a major u turn because as barryw indicates the minister got it wrong and cameron disowned his views and listerned to the medical professionals
k
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#8
cobbled together policies certainly, why they do not do all their homework first beats me.
so far today we have had the back tracking on the n.h.s. and weekly rubbish collections.
the next thing will to renege on their plan to restrict benefit entitlement to £26,000 p.a.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That £26,000 is too much anyway.
Why do people have children knowing they can't afford them and expect the rest of us to pay for their upbringing ?
People who want to have lots of children, shouldn't expect us to pick up the tab.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#10
roger;
the voice of the conservatives
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
the point being that dave and george said that living on benefits would never be more than the national average wage.
let us see what happens over the next few days or weeks.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#12
On the other hand, too many U-turns might just convey to the multitude that they really dont know what they are doing after all
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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#13
" they really dont know what they are doing after all"
That goes for all governments and parties, they come up with an idea and then hope it works.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#14
Roger - the voice of himself !
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the problem with dave and friends is that they seem to subscribe to groucho marx's philosophy.
namely "i have principles and if you do not like them"
long pause
"i have others that you may like".
#16
I don't see the ability to learn from events as a weakness. There are some policies and pathways endorsed by this government with which I disagree, but I have to say I like the idea of a grown up government able to manage diversity of opinion and able to change direction in a measured and managed way. I don't see change of direction as a derisory "u-turn"or as a bad thing. That would go for any government of any shade or hue.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#17
I agree Bern that govrnments should not be afraid of saying they've got it wrong.
But I think the point is that people expect the government with its huge resources to get it right first time. Not consult lobby groups after they've made a decision but before they make a decision and certainly before a vast amount of money and time has been spent. ''U-turns'' show lack of joined up thinking and cost the country money we can ill afford. It makes the government of the day look silly and inept and leads to ''We told you so'' type comments.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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#18
I agree with Bern; it's no disgrace (or shouldn't be classed as one) to realise after a lot of consultation, that it still isn't quite right.
Heaven forbid, the last Labour Government made cock-up after cock-up and didn't admit to any of them being wrong - even now, they are still in denial. Ed. Millipede saying recently,
"we did not over spend". Next he'll be saying GB was right to sell Gold cheap and it was right to change the regulations that allowed the Banks to take too many risks. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#19
Marek - just accept that governments usually get things wrong and are rarely right. They are a necessary eveil and and should be given a little role in our lives as possible.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#20
Barryw
I feel i share your view in your last posting(only)_ lol
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