Keith Sansum1
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#61
Theres not many on the left of the tory party
they certainly showing that at the moment
howard your right but probably only way he can answer
roger
same old same old
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#62
Jan Higgins wrote:No wonder David Milliband is packing his political career in, obviously he is financially better off having lost that leadership vote for which he must be profoundly grateful.
Spot on Jan, we're all socialists until we're made a better offer
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#63
David
Don't think you could ever class yourself as a socialist
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Jan Higgins
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#64
David, I think the term is champagne socialist.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#65
I actually believe D Milliband to be one of the better politicians and will do a good job wherever he ends up
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#66
I look at him and think of him and his banana.
Two Millis, both comedians in different ways... both unfit for government.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#67
Keith Sansum1 wrote:David
Don't think you could ever class yourself as a socialist
Absolutely spot on Keith, I'm not interested in the race for mediocrity, I'm just surprised you keep voting for people that take you for such a ride.
My family on my mum's side were all miners, proper working men with principles, not these handwringing parasites that masquerade as socialists to line their own pockets.
They nauseate me.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#68
Not at next election David
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#69
Keith, you'll be so frightened of the tories getting in you know fine well you'll vote labour.
Brian Dixon
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#70
barry,i can think of 2 people in downing street in the same light.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#71
I wont be voting labour david end of
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#72
turnd tory have we kieth,i cant see voting for the far right ukip party.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#73
Hopefully the thread will now return to it's title
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#74
and that is.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#75
ah yes back to the thread, if i remember correctly it was on the lines of the nasty party kicking over optically challenged people's white sticks and beating their dog up.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#76
Might as well be
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#77
Socialism only works in microcosm and even then only in religious communities. The moment anyone feels they are 'entitled' to something which others don't need, or think they should have. the whole system falls apart. I think a re-reading of Mr Orwell's Animal Farm is in order.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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#78
Quite so Peter. Any system is doomed to failure when those who think themselves destined to lead do down the their own. engage with those that have their own separate agenda, and perhaps most of all;attention span verses sloganising.
Anyway, back to the thread...
FactCheck: are nine out of 10 working families better off?
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The verdict
Mr Osborne is probably right about the nine out of ten, although by choosing to frame the debate in terms of working households alone he has made it difficult for independent assessors to FactCheck him.
Clearly, the government is taking from benefits claimants and giving to working families.
As things stand, we don't know which working families who will do best, but the small amount of information the Treasury has given us shows a pattern of the wealthier households getting the biggest giveaway.
We also asked the government, since they want to focus on working households, how workers have fared overall from all the measures introduced since the coalition came to power. There's been no reply yet but we will update if we can."
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-are-nine-out-of-10-working-families-better-off/13168#more-13168Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#79
It is certainly time those on benefits and not working took a hit. Those in work paying for the benefits have had their income cut. Sadly benefits will still rise by 1% about the same as salaries so people in work will still have lost out more than those just on benefits. Benefits should be frozen and 'in work' benefits phased out completely over a 5 year period.
Ross Miller
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#80
As I have said on another thread the truth is that the majority of benefits are actually paid to working people as opposed to those out of work;
Of course that does not fit with the image the government want to portray so we see a procession of stories about what are actually the anomalies but are portrayed as the norm so as to reinforce the message.
The other thing government never publicises is the huge level of under claiming of benefits, again predominately by working people (last figures published by ONS estimated this to be in the region of £16bn) mostly driven by the fear that if the DWP cock up and overpay they will not be in a position to repay it.
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