Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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at what cost howard.
i would like to know how ken came up with his figures.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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here is the link brian, not sure if blue ken is being devious here as it is sickness/incapacity claimants that are featured, i don't think there is such a thing as disability benefit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2302122/Just-sickness-benefit-truly-ill-work-Almost-million-drop-benefits-claim-avoid-new-test.htmlJan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Brian, the 800 plus who are no longer seeking the benefits have been frequently mentioned on various TV news reports this morning.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Lesley:
"In years gone by, the landed gentry provided occupation for their dear wives and daughters as " lady bountifuls" visiting the sick and poor in the parish with baskets of cake......."
That role is now exclusive to the royals, who are de facto "the patrons" of charities.
They are also "the heroes" who fight single-handed in Afghanistan flying choppers, and carry out rescue operations, again flying helicopters.
That said, I too could carry out a rescue operation if placed on the seat of a helicopter following a period of training, as could many other common people.
And most people could also pose in front of a camera at a charity and claim to be their "patron", or, for that matter, live in five to fifteen palaces and castles at the same time, while receiving State benefits galore.
Lady bountiful, you said?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard/jan,an intresting read,but are they back in work or claiming another benifit or both
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Ever read Alice Walkers, Why Women Vote Tory, very interesting. She also wrote The Colour Purple!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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did she write 50 ways to screw the public.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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I am still awaiting those that are criticising the changes to come up with an alternative. Allowing the welfare bill to rise was certainly a vote winner previously but no one can say these changes are designed to win votes, or are they? If you see someone you know who you feel is making no effort to be self supporting and you are off to earn the money that will pay the taxes that will pay for that person, then you are more inclined to vote for the party that imposes strict control of the purse strings containing your taxes.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that's a bit of a red herring about vote buying ken, people who make being on benefits a career do no vote and we can be sure they will find a way around the new rules.
those on low wages that get a top up will be the ones to lose out and of course the genuinely disabled.
the nasty party is back in the shape of ids and shapps, note how dave and george have gone underground for now.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ken,you seem to be advocating this nonsence.its hardly fair that the disabled who have lots of money spent adapting there houses/flats so that they can live an indiependant life.the second thing is there are not enough 1 bedroom places to acomedate them all.so the the conclusion is that its an ill concieved plan to start with.
jsa is another matter,there are those who are capable of work but wont.then those who dont have there money stopped.hardly a fair deal.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Not sure about the red herring argument as possibly many of Labour voters would vote for them knowing that party would not dare hit the benefit culture.
It would help if the Tory side was put better so we could understand how their plans will work so that the deserving do not loose out as now seems to be the case, their PR people have done a lousy job whilst Labour PR has been going full pelt.
The spare bedroom plan while good in principle has simply not been thought through properly and will cause problems certainly for so many families with a disabled member. Those who have lived for years in the same property and are surrounded by friends old and new, then there is the money they might have spent on the place, it is a home not merely a roof over their head.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the reds have steadfastly refused to say that they would rescind any of these changes if elected and are planning to back the government over the welfare to work fiasco.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The spare bedroom fiasco is proof that the Government does not have a clue.
By the way I don't have a spare bedroom.
Anyone running a business will confirm that it is all the harder to work and earn money, And is getting harder all the time.
Forget the Government solving the economy's problems, it hasn't got a clue.
And forget Labour for the same reasons.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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forget ukip for the same reason as well.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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I don't know if DDC still run the scheme in which they provde £1,000 for people to relocate to a smaller property but I think it had an excellent take up and resulted a lot of 3 bed properties being made available for families.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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As I have mentioned on here a number of times, I was born and brought up in a Council house, I was the 5th. of 6 children in a 3 bed terraced house.
Us 4 boys slept in one bedoom, my 2 sisters were in another and Mum and Dad in the third. A happier family you could not have found growing up in the 50s and early 60s. My Dad didn't have a good, well-paid job, he .was a one-legged postman (he lost a leg in the war)
As soon as Mum and Dad could afford it, they bought their council house and so wouldn't have been caught in this trap.
I'm sure my Mum & Dad would have been happy to move into somewhere smaller - the big argument with this benefit reduction is that there isn't anywhere smaller to move into.
My understanding is that Labour stopped the Council house building during their tenure of Governmernt and "affordable" homes now can mean many things, including of course council housing, which generally nowadays, is run by ALMOs (Arms Length Management Organisations) Housing Associations.
In principle it's not a bad idea, but needs exceptions and there's exceptions in every rule - or should be.
False claiments should be made to go back to work, but there has to be jobs for them to go to. Creating the environment for job creation must be the greater priority for Government.
Genuine disabled people should not/must not suffer.
Roger
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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As usual the public and the media are missing the bigger story. All this fuss over the loss of a few quid a week pales into insignificance when compared to the rising cost of the energy We all consume .
Now that's what I call a scandal. The amount the poorer members of the population, let's forget about everyone else for now, will have to pay because of the renewable scam and carbon price floor which came into force yesterday makes the "bedroom tax" (which it most certainly is not) seem like very small beer indeed.
Here We are witnessing yet another issue being used by all parties and interested groups as a political football and it's so boring and predictable.
The sooner people wake up and examine the really important issues rather than be led down the garden path by politicos and axe grinders everywhere the better We'll all be.
By the way just how much energy is being created by the wind as We speak?
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yes philip more expence on a tight budget.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The Government say the cuts introduced today are ``Fair`` .........the `few`should ask their government to `define`.....
their `Fair`........................
