Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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10 September 2010
13:5569736Voting Tory and getting a coalition govt has resulted in todays announcements
1. They intend to privatise or sell off the Royal Mail.More family silver sold off to their cronies in the city.
2.Police Forces are facing govt cuts of 25% resulting in as many as 40,000 frontline Police Officers losing their jobs. Good news for the crimbo's
3.A Tory Justice Minister, Jonathan Djanogly, admitted he paid private detectives to investigate his colleague Tory MP Derek Holley.
If they don't trust each other how are the electorate supposed to trust them.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
10 September 2010
14:0569738In the vast majority of such families, the Office for National Statistics data show, no one is even looking for a job.
Ministers called the figures a "shocking reflection" of the scale of the problem inherited from Labour, where millions were placed on sickness benefits and offered little incentive to work by a complex tax system.
Chris Grayling, the Employment Minister, said: "These figures are a further indictment of how the current system is failing families and is a shocking reflection of the scale of worklessness across the UK that this Government has inherited.
"Some areas of Britain are suffering from intergenerational worklessness, which is why we must act now to ensure that children living in workless households are not left behind like their parents have been.
"This is why we are pushing ahead with our Work Programme, which will give people who are out of work and need a job the right support at the right time so that they can get into employment."
The statistical bulletin published on Wednesday, based on the Labour Force Survey, shows that between April and June 2010, there were 3.9m households in Britain where no one was working - 19.2 per cent of the total population.
This is a rise of 148,000 (0.6 per cent) on the second quarter last year and the highest proportion of workless households since April to June 1999. A workless household is defined as an address containing at least one adults of working age, where no one over 16 has a job.
Of these, three-quarters (3m households) were workless because everyone at the address was considered "inactive", either not looking for a job or not available to employers through illness or caring responsibilities.
There were 1.1m households where two adults were inactive, of which the ONS claimed that 76 per cent said they would "both not like to work". The reasons given were mainly that they were retired, were looking after their family or home, or were themselves unable to work.
The analysis showed that 841,000 households were workless because everyone at the address was sick, injured or disabled, with 612,000 households containing some members who were unable to work.
A further 1.2m households contained adults of working age who were retired.
The figures also showed that the number of children living in workless households has fallen slightly to 1.9million.
A further 5.7m households (27.8 per cent of the total) have both working and non-working members.
The concentration of workless families was highest in the North East (24.3 per cent of the total population for the area) while the lowest was in the South East (14.2 per cent).
Single mothers with young children were the household type most likely to be workless (39.7 per cent of lone parent households with dependents).
The Coalition is working on a White Paper that will end the "illogical" situation where people are effectively paid to remain unemployed because their state benefits are more valuable than the wages they would take home from a low-paid job.
In addition, those who are on Incapacity Benefit rather than Jobseeker's Allowance are being re-assessed to see whether they could make some contribution to the workforce.
Recent figures show that 889,000 people have been on sickness benefits for a decade, costing taxpayers £4.2billion a year. In total, the Department for Work and Pensions spends £148bn a year on all benefits.
And you point is??????????
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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10 September 2010
14:1069739Bob
Not sure what your point is but the figures you quoted above will be swelled by 40,000 Coppers and untold number of postal workers.My point is less Bobbies on the 'beat' (available) will result in more unsolved crime.The postal charges will rise and mail delivery will be reduced to probably 3 days per week.
A great step backwards for the UK.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
10 September 2010
14:2369743Marek old fruit, the top Bobby in Kent says he will be releasing PCSO's and Admin staff before he even needs to consider the proper cops.
As for Royal Mail privatisation, that has been on the agenda for years. It was tried back in the glorious New Labour days, but Brazil loving Mandy sat on it. They only want to privatise those elements where competition is fiercest, so Parcel Force is the most likely candidate, as they want to be free to compete against UPS, TNT etc.
Also, let's not forget, Labour did more damage to the Post Office than any Government before them.
Time to get the blinkers and rose (red) tinted glasses off.
The future is bright, the future is blue (with a hint of yellow).
10 September 2010
14:4969746Bob Frost,
One cant but help admire your post on statistics with referance the percentage of people out of work.
Whether this is because they cant ,or wont ,is besides the point.
The point is this, even with the best will in the world getting people back to work is an unobtainable goal and it is thoroughly dishonest of the political elite to say that it is a case of "YES WE CAN"
We have a jobless total of 2.4 million now and yet according to your statistics this should not be.
People should be as our dear Lord Tebbitt would say "on there bikes" well where are all these jobs?? The trend has been to shed jobs for month after month. Every body who employs another person(s) is at this moment scared out of their wits about the prospect of offering a job to the unemployed as they know full well that the future is to uncertain to make that commitment.
I do not think it would be a case of over dramatising to say that one should not be to surprised to see civil unrest in the not to distant future (with fewer police to protect us) as a result of present policies.
And just supposing for one minute a miracle happens and all those who can work ask for work exactly how are we to employ them??
10 September 2010
15:0169747Hi Jimmy.
I'm just slightly surprised that when in Cornwall last summer, an area of high unemployment, I was invariably served coffee by Eastern Europeans.
Apparently this was because the indigenous could not be arsed to get out of bed> ????
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 September 2010
15:0969751not that simple bob, the east europeans may have been hired by an agency abroad and paid 1 rouble a day according to the rate of their country of origin.
even the ones that are employed correctly and earning a bit more will be put up in camps.
the locals would have to pay on rent on a flat or house out of their minimum wage.
Keith Sansum1
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10 September 2010
15:1069752HOWARD
I'm afraidi i don't totaly share your view
theres many UK born residents who will never work, nor have any ambition to
prefering not to work
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
10 September 2010
16:1669771Just one website for jobs, EUROPA - EURES lists 421,258 jobs availalble in the UK.
Jobserve has : 27,000
So, not far short of .5m jobs vacant as at today.
I agree with Keith to a point. Many don't want to work, but many can't because of restrictive employment practices.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 September 2010
16:2169774the biggest problem is jobs in the u.k. not being advertised in the u.k.
10 September 2010
16:5969775Bob Frost,
Your reply is the reply of some one who has lost the argument. Your responce is typical of the uninformed trying to prove to the rest of us that they have the answer to the problem We can all slag the unemployed off and turn our spleen on them, but to what purpose??
It ill becomes you to take the attitude that it is all there own fault and that they should get there arses out of bed, a blatant misconception if ever I heard (in this case read)
You can spout all the statistics you like but it wont change anything. With a UK industrial base of a mere 14%, by my calculations that leaves an economy based on service industries of 86%, and those service industries shedding jobs quicker than the lazy unemployed can get there arses down to the job centres, I ask you once more "How exactly Mr Frost do you intend to employ these unfortunates"?
Perhaps you can post your solution on the forum thereby giving those lazy soon to be unemployed people who are soon to get the big "E" from channel house a solution to there predicament.
You may be a teacher but you have certainly not earned an A* for your reply so far. As for myself it does'nt matter a jot as I left school with nothing but have done my learning since leaving.
10 September 2010
17:0269776Hang on - I had a brief period between jobs a while back and had no intention of not working. Found a job within a short period and knew I would, but out of curiousity and a touch of bloodymindedness visited the jobcentre. I realised I would probably not be entitled to anything and didn't want it anyway (what with having paid into the system for years and all...) but what I saw appalled me. I went twice, once to make an appointment and once to cancel it having secured a good job. Each time I went there were people being abusive to the guys working in there, with little or no provocation from what I could see. One guy was an hour late for an afternoon appt because he overslept........another woman was on the FREE phone to some poor blighter yelling at him because he couldn't get her FREE washing machine to her instantly and didn't he know she had 5 kids to wash for - her language was enough to merit a turn in the machine for all its filth.........and frankly I would not have employed most of them for reasons varying from their odour to their idiocy. I am an old leftie, remember, and liable to be cuddly and fluffy if not careful, so be aware that it would have been outrageously bad for me to depart from that!!!
10 September 2010
17:0269777Good to have you back posting Marek!!!!!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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10 September 2010
17:1669784Keith you are again showing an independence of thought which ought to get you thrown out of the Labour party. You would be a credit to the indies.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
10 September 2010
17:2369787Bern,
You know very well that there are good and bad in whatever walk of life you care to enquire into.
Yes I do believe what you say is undoubtedly true but please do not tar and feather ALL of the unemployed. Are we to assume that in the brief period when you went to the job centre you behaved like the people you have portrade?? I hope not. There are people at this very moment who are sick with worry at the prospect of loosing there jobs. Just imagine how they feel if they come onto the forum and read your potrailof them through no fault of there own. I would say food for thought, dont you think??
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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10 September 2010
17:5469798Fortunately I am in employment and my nephew has just got into the Police Force, but it does make you wonder how many people are wondering about their jobs at this very moment, as said a worrying time for many I did not vote for this.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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10 September 2010
18:0269801Bern
Thanks for your good wishes here and on other threads.I have only been to the Job centre twice in the 90's and also witnessed similar scenes so it's not a one off scenario.
On my brief encounter I witnessed some youths having a quick spliff outside or slogging down a large can of homeless special extra strength amber nectar before entering the Jeremy Kyle like fray in the JC. These types had no intention of seeking or gaining full time worthwhile employment and the JC staff knew that and simply got them to sign on and get out asap.
There were others who were smartly dressed and keen to obtain work but were obviously in their winter years and stood no chance of a job. They were so desperate that they were willing to work at the Fancy box or on the bins but to no avail.
There were others who simply couldn't afford to take employment as they were caught in the benefit trap and to take low paid unskilled work would result in the loss of their housing benefit,council tax JSA etc
Then there were those just released from Canterbury nick or off the island who realised that there was stiff competition from folk without a record and were treading water until the next 'job' came along followed by another spell inside.
Until we address these problems there will always be overseas workers living 10 to a room who are willing to take jobs that our workforce can't or wont take. It's not their fault its our society fault and until we ensure that everyone leaves school being able to read and write and leaves school with the necessary social skills then these problems will continue.
As for myself I was informed to dum down my CV and put any aspirations of a 'worthwhile' job on hold and told to reconsider my options and look for unskilled manual type work......ok no problem I said....well as soon as we have a vacancy for a street sweeper or bog cleaner we will ring you. They never did and I never returned..luckily I had a bit of get up and go and set up a small business.
Oh nearly forgot they sent me a cheque for 42p to tide me over then sent numerous first class letters asking for its repayment as they had made an error and overpaid me......give me strength.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
10 September 2010
19:0769830Jimmy, only an idiot would think I was saying everyone is the same, especially if you have followed this forum for any period of time. Oh, whoops, was that personally abusive?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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10 September 2010
19:20698311. Able-bodied people on benefits should be made to work in exchange.
2. People on disability benefit should be regularly assessed and made to do some work which they are able to do. Stephen Hawking works.
3. People who are proven skivers should receive nothing.
Does that make me a right-wing extremist?
PG.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 September 2010
19:2669833not right wng extremist, more like not thought out.
1)most of the career workshy have children who will suffer the most.
2) if someone has no income they will either turn to crime or start begging in town centre, not great for tourism.
