Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Sorry guys, I've been a little busy and this is first time I've dipped in to the forum for a day or so.
The DHB meeting was the inaugural meeting of their new Community Forum. They announced that they would be proceeding down this line a couple of months ago with separate Community and Port User forums.
At the present time we wait to see if DHB will walk the walk as well as talk the talk and it would be very good for Dover if they did both effectively whilst we go through the process of implementation of the next stage of the Port's long and illustrious life that will see it owned in perpetuity by the communities of Dover and the surrounding area with access to the private capital markets at need and forever free of the threat of sale to a remote third party owner at the whim of its board, executive and/or the Government of the day.
I started in this project to develop a cross party - apolitical - alliance of stakeholders who, together, would ensure that the port would be owned in perpetuity by its own community. The process of adding to the list of supportive stakeholders continues and I really do not care one jot what colour rosette they wear at the hustings, its about Dover, not party politics.
Brian Dixon
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ed,folkestone fixings last day tomorrow,so I am told.they have been offerd a 50 year lease on another dhb land.ffx have stuck there perverble finger up at them.traffic lights [so iam told again ] are being put in.but when dhb anoused the T2 project.in there plans a bridge reilef road was at that spot.
Keith Sansum1
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Neil
Do you have any update of any developments from the Govt?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Perhaps Farage wants to prize Charlie over to UKIP?
There's certainly no way the Government is going to hand over the Port of Dover to the "people's port trust".
Keith, Farage is not in the Government, and the actual Government have already made a decision. It's DHB.
There's nothing anyone can do about it, unless perhaps if Farage become PM.
At least we know where we stand now with UKIP!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander
just like farrage your late,,,,,,,
The peoples port and the general campaign on the port is ongoing
nice though that farrage supports people port as opposed to DHB
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Brian and Ed, the works that will happen and which have caused the exit of Folkestone Fixings are changes that the DHB had to agree to carry out within three years of being granted the HRO to develop the Western docks. They were the condition imposed by DDC and the Environment Agency before these organisations would drop their objections to the entire T2 HRO. These works will therefore have to proceed whether or not T2 is actually going to happen - The DHB made a legal commitment to carry them out and any successor will be bound by that agreement..
Keith, nothing that is public at the moment. I'll have some things to say at the DPPT AGM next week. For the moment, suffice to say that the port will transition from its current form of ownership and governance.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil;
Are you waiting for a government announcement?
What makes you think this transition is to take place?
What stops a multi national from bidding?
what stops a multi national from winning?
I wonder if the Govt feels DHB has done enough?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,you will have to wait for the anounsement.next week.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi Keith, what DPPT have proposed throughout is an alternative to a conventional privatisation, a radical one at that, one that can demonstrate the achievement of fair value to tthe Treasury and the wider economy without the requirement to seek bids for ownership from remote private equity ventures. As fair value is the denominator required, as advised by the Secretary of State (and not maximum cash), there does not need to be a bidding process for the ownership of the port if one can work out a mechanism that satisfies the Govt and legal bods that fair value has been achieved.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
whats stopping DHB meeting this criteria
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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It will be interesting to see if they even try Keith.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Government is not involved in any discussion with DPPT.
DHB is the owner of the Port of Dover and runs it, as per Government decision.
There will be no announcement from "the people's port" on any Government involvement or talks with them (DPPT).
If it were not as I write here, then I'd invoke the Freedom of Information Act to have all protocols made public!
The Government cannot have private talks with a private or public entity in secret without the Public knowing!
If what Neil Wiggins writes about secret talks and an imminent transition of Dover Port ownership were true, it would end up straight in Court
If a Government acted secretly to bring about a change of ownership of an asset into the hands of a private entity such as is DPPT, it would prepare its own downfall.
So quite frankly I don't believe one word of all this "secret talks" thing with "ministries, civil servants and ministers".
More likely Neil has approached Nigel Farage, who expressed a personal view, unaware of alleged "secret meetings with Government Departments". Farage would probably run a mile if he got wind of these "secretive meetings" DPPT brags on about.
He's not born yesterday! Farage knows full well that UKIP denounces all things done in secret in Brussels or at the Bilderberg meetings.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Neil Wiggins wrote:Brian and Ed, the works that will happen and which have caused the exit of Folkestone Fixings are changes that the DHB had to agree to carry out within three years of being granted the HRO to develop the Western docks. They were the condition imposed by DDC and the Environment Agency before these organisations would drop their objections to the entire T2 HRO. These works will therefore have to proceed whether or not T2 is actually going to happen - The DHB made a legal commitment to carry them out and any successor will be bound by that agreement..
Thanks Neil. Sounds pretty pointless then but time will tell.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Just to say about UKIP not knowing what the left hand and right hands are doing,I still have the cutout of when I was chairman of UKIP AND THE UKIP leader came to Dover and told the press and TV that the party was behind the local UKIPin saying that they are against any sell off with the port of Dover and they also would like to see the port run by a D.H.B. within the Royal Charter,all they are doing now is trying to win over the voter and would say anything to get them.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Post 54 tells you why NOT to vote UKIP and he was activist
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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was nigel farage the leader then though?
i doubt it, more likely lord pearson.
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It would appear we have a closet UKIPper......
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes you are right it was Lord Pearson but I did ASked Mr Farage the same at a meeting and he also said he supports the port staying in the hands of the Royal Charter. As I said like other partys all they doing is going anyway ,they think that will win the voter over in the real life I do not expect he cares one way or the other.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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out whoever it is without further delay reg, we must nip this sort of thing in the bud.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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A bit of double speak here???
Farrage clearly has found, like most issues hes behind the times,
The peoples port proposal is well advanced, but ok hes come on late, better late than never.
Of course he could of chosen not to support the peoples port, but this he didn't do, he supported the peoples port(against the charter)
Looks like UKIP as usual In a muddle
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