howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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looks like things starting to liven up
will be interesting to see how it all pans out
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thought you would have had more info on the likelihood of a walkout keith.
have your old union friends not given a clue as to how they expect the vote to go.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Why is striking so popular with the unions when they have a grievance, working to rule is just as effective with members retaining their pay unlike when they are on strike.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
unison is the first large union to ballot its members and they are confident as mr prentis says of a large yes vote, what should be born in mind here is mr prentis is no real lefty so hes at the end of his tether
so unite clear they to will ballot its members and are confident of results
bow crow at the RMT will never falter from a dispute, probably watching how the land lies, but im certain he will be preparing with other unions for the day of action
of course apat from the day of action im sure there will be many other forms of action(some may well be work to rule)
even today though the govt and employers can avoid all this happening with constructive talks
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"Constructive talks" as defined by unions usually means agreeing to everything they want. Actually, constructive talks should mean listening, both ways. And to be fair, I am also aware that "consultation" by management has the same roots......
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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employers as well bern
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That is what I said.............
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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mr prentis claims that after 8 months of negotiations the cobbled together chaps will not budge on anything.
i suspect that it will be a no vote.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Another case of the public sector tail trying to wag the private sector dog. If the government (any government) gives into this we are heading for hyper-inflation and a situation like Greece who are reaping the reward of cave-in after cave-in to the public sector unions.
These union leaders seem to think that demographics and the economic cycle somehow don't apply to them and their members.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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clueless stuff from dave and company though, everyone knows that when negotiating you ask for more than you really expect to get.
you then give a bit of ground so the other negotiator does not lose face.
the other dave has been unable to bring anything back to his members so he has to recommend industrial action.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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I can only imagine the public sector has been galvanised by the way in which normal economic rules were abandoned to bail out the private sector banks. The harsh austerity measures being imposed on the public sector workers (which many economic commentators agree are only making the economic situation worse) are seen and felt as punitive and certainly don't reflect the 'we are all in this together' mantra from the super rich in government.
They may be felt (by the public sector) as punitive, but some might indicate that other sectors who perform and function way better than many public sectors orgs deserve a better deal for that very reason, and that the public sector has sucked up much of the benefits that might otherwise have supported those other, more innovative, value for money, outcomes focussed organisations...........
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Bern,
I have definitely got a line! I will double check because I think I probably got 'house' too! We are playing 'Bullsh*t Bingo' arent we?!!!!
http://www.lovelyjane.btinternet.co.uk/bullshit.htmGuest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Love the bingo cards!! I notice that Accountability does not figure. Neither do Responsibility, Commitment or Care.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
That made me laugh out loud! Love the cards. I noticed, also, though that Value for Money, Innovation and Respect didn't feature either.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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On the other side of the coin, Cover My Arse wasn't there either!!!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
What we at work call an ACE. Go figure.......
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Yes I know that one, I used to work for Barclays Bank! Another favourite of mine was OSINTOT.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson