Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - it did work well back in the 80's and early 90's - since 1997 our competitive edge has slipped a lot, adoption of the Social Chapter, Corporation tax rises, increased red tape, so on and so on....
We need to be competitive and to attract inward investment. The EU is on a path of economic decline and we must not be dragged down with it. At an economic forum two weeks ago that I attended in London, when looking at European prospects, the conclusion was that regardless of an early resolution to Eurozone problems they are set for at least a decade of low growth with poor demographics at the heart of it and not just because of ill-conceived tax and other economic measures.
The UK has a chance to steal a competitive march on Europe but it needs a different economic and social policy direction to the EU. This is all about gaining more opportunities and better paid jobs for our kids in a sustainable and prosperous economy. In my view at the moment the UK's direction in right but the travel is far too slow....
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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To negotiate at all levels in private sets out your foundations,it will register with your opponents but not antagonise
them at the outset.To blast away,especially on the world stage ( half a million top politicians/billionaires ? ) makes it a
challenge in public which also makes it a power game not to be lost.
To criticise,humilitate,ridicule the leaders of Europe on such a world stage may be good for his return to the commons
for his back benchers ( 81 club ) to wave their order papers ect.but when you are one against 10 or 26 it has little
chance of being on a winning course.
Watch this space.
Foot note.....Whilst Heads of State and Billionaires agonise over the global economy Cameron lectures to EU Leaders
about `Human Rights and then puts on his usual PR/headline seeking show with Lord Coe and Boris to `remind` the EU
Leaders that Britain have the Olympic Games in 6 month time.Strange way for a man who wants to be in Europe to
behave.
For the same event he had invited Mick Jagger to sing for him at Davos.....Mick Jagger rejects the invite and says he
would not peope to misunderstand where his political allegiance lay......Nice one Sir Mick.
..............seem to remember Waldorf and Statler got it right.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - I frequently use video conferencing myself in business and it has its place. Sometimes though meeting people, looking them in the eye and seeing properly the body language is invaluable.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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would you say that it would work in the situation of a major summit barry?
i notice that the places they have these meetings are always at some glamorous and expensive locations.
never at scunthorpe, ghent or rotterdam - i don't believe that security would be compromised.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - I am not sure whether they would have time to enjoy local facilities!! The point is that places suitable to accommodate such a conference particularly with the security are often places that are also holiday destinations. Dover for instance would not have the facilities needed.
Video conferencing, as I say, can work well. One sophisticated system Citywire has for Board Meetings means that New York and London directors can meet thousands of miles apart with a big screen on a wall and it is almost as if they are all in the same room. Nevertheless what it lacks are those important informal moments when legs are stretched or drinks are poured in which time personal relationships are developed. My own view is that even a system like Citywire's is inferior to grasping the flesh and looking close up into someone's eye with whom you are negotiating or debating and that, I think are essential elements of summits.
Look at it this way - we all know what Paris or New York are like from television and films but do we really know what they are like if we have not been there! Same thing with meeting people.
Keith Sansum1
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so what do we all think
should dave isolate us from the E U
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Silly question.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I agree and it should be another question altogether, but I guess you wouldn't expect Keith to do that.
Roger
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Cameron`s ``U``turn on ``celebrated`` veto.
Cameron has abandoned his pledge to block the eurozone from using EU institutions fiscal intergration and stiff German rules.
Cameron`s consession marks a significant climb down of his previous``macho`` position.
It is a victory for Cleggy`s insistance that Cameron drop his objections to use EU institutions to enforce the compact.
Tory sceptics are not happy.
Who will take his next decision seriously?
Best not to make threats on the world stage and then have to back off.
Could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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dave will never be a diplomat, seems to get everyone's back up.
so far india, pakistan , china and most of europe.
Brian Dixon
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your right there howard,and on top of that the nhs and organisations in the uk as well.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ref post 5;
it appears you have missed the barryw/paulw/roger w show
roger;
always good to believe in your leader and walk blindly into more p;roblems
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You certainly did Keith - for 13 years.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Thankfully i left that lot, but they even today have more to offer than the present cobbled together lot.
but nice you are seeing your errors of your ways
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I haven't seen any errors of my ways (on this) because I haven't made any.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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thats for others to judge roger
and of course yourself lol
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Scourge of Youth unemployment across Europe...............is priority for Europe.
EU plans to commit 22 million euros to tackle problem.
If Eurosceptics have their way..............where will that leave British Youth unemployed??
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 billion reg.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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reg;
22 billion blmey geezer
and our dave wants out
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Spending money wracking up more debt in a debt laden continent will not solve anything. This is another example of egotistical politicians thinking they can wave a magic wand, spending money they don't have to solve problems when they will always just make them worse. There is plenty they can do to address youth unemployment, this is not the way.