Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows
Research shows public opinion often deviates from facts on key social issues including crime
, benefit fraud and immigration
A new survey for the Royal Statistical Society and King's College London shows public opinion
is repeatedly off the mark on issues including crime, benefit fraud and immigration.
The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75
, lists ten misconceptions held by the British public. Among the biggest misconceptions are:
- Benefit fraud: the public think that £24 of every £100 of benefits is fraudulently claimed.
Official estimates are that just 70 pence in every £100 is fraudulent - so the public conception
is out by a factor of 34.
- Immigration: some 31 per cent of the population is thought to consist of recent immigrants,
when the figure is actually 13 per cent. Even including illegal immigrants, the figure is only
about 15 per cent. On the issue of ethnicity, black and Asian people are thought to make up
30 per cent of the population, when the figure is closer to 11 per cent.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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The average person formulates their views from information given out via the media unless that person has direct knowledge about a subject.
This poll shows how influential the media can be in forming public opinion together with the alteration of facts every time a story is told in general conversation.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I love it - so typical...
Reg demonstrates the contempt that he and the left have for the general public. Stuff what people think, we know better they say. Exactly the same warped mentality that says a difference of £1 a year determines whether someone lives in poverty or not.... The same people who want us to join the Euro and who believe government has all the solutions and knows better.
You can take surveys of what people think and bend it to what you want and this survey is a prime example of this.
So Reg thinks people cannot be trusted to decide on the future of this country.
He was happy when those same people made the mistake of keeping Labour in power for 13 terrible destructive years.
The 'danger of a European referendum' lays in the scare tactics the Eurofanatics will use to try to intimidate people intom staying in that corrupt incompetent interfering organisation.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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how would anyone know the number of illegal immigrants in the country?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The news in Reg's post is not new to me: 15% of the population is over 9 million people.
Two percent of the population is over 1.2 million, which would be the number of illegal immigrants, following the figures in post 1.
I thought this was common knowledge.
As I've been saying for some time, the DDC core strategy is designed to accommodate immigration, and is part of the immigration agenda of the last Labour government.
It would also double the number of cars steaming in and out of Dover daily.
Do we have to die prematurely to accommodate immigration on a massive scale?
Our health is already severely compromised by mass pollution from through traffic and port traffic.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 2...absolutely spot on Jan.....# 4....Barry...``and bend it to what you want``...just like your graphs Barry ?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I don't see any danger in an EU referendum, as the figures supplied by Reg are enough to make one wonder:
Over nine million people are 13%, of which 1.2 million illegal immigrants.
Going by the average household count in Britain, 9 million people could equate to 3 million houses needed to accommodate them.
Those urban areas that are chosen for this, such as Dover (doubling or trebling the population with between 10,500 and 14,500 new houses) will be even more exposed to the consequent urban pollution deriving from increased traffic.
We already have the port, and all our schools are situated along major roads hopelessly congested with traffic.
We can take for granted that we will be dying prematurely to pay for mass immigration if it goes ahead.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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we have two hopes on referendum,and they are ..........no hope and bob hope.
and the latter is brown bread.
Keith Sansum1
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Barryw
If there is to be a referendum(and lets not forget the mouse wants to stay in the EU) then people should have all the facts for and against before any vote
if there is a vote????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, Ed Miliband does not want to give British People a vote on EU membership, and the PM wants to use an EU referendum as a bargaining tool to get reelected. To the tune: if you don't vote me back in, you won't get a referendum on EU membership.
The vast majority of young people in Britain don't trust politicians.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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careful alexander we agree
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Barryw
If there is to be a referendum(and lets not forget the mouse wants to stay in the EU) then people should have all the facts for and against before any vote
if there is a vote????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
There will be a referendum Keith - fact, all it needs is a Conservative majority at the next election. Cameron plays a double edged game balancing between the pro-EU LibDems and the vast majority of the Conservative Party who demand a referendum. We need a renegotiation first for a trade only relationship so we have a positive alternative rather than a leap into the unknown.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Reg Hansell wrote:# 2...absolutely spot on Jan.....# 4....Barry...``and bend it to what you want``...just like your graphs Barry ?
You do hate those graphs Reg.....
Your problem is of course that they clearly illustrate the facts and facts are highly inconvenient for you. All the figures I use are official ones, mostly from the ONS. Straight numbers do not lie, the spending levels, the deficit, immigration etc etc etc - the figures are out there.
They are also a different matter to this issue based, as they are, on official figures. This thread is about a survey of opinion not facts and figures.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Barryw
The mouse is clear that all the time hes leader(loose term) he wants to stay in the EU
therefore even if he did get to the stage of a vote, he would campaign to stay in.
that said, he wont get in anyway
he knows that so easy to promise
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - the mood is changing, as economic recovery strengthens - mid-term blues are receding and the prospects of a Conservative win are improving.
I Cameron's position I would probably take a similar stance on Europe while biding my time. Cameron has to play a game while in coalition.
Get a Conservative majority and even if he did not want it there would be a referendum simply because an overall Conservative majority will mean the Eurosceptics will be stronger than ever. The pressure will be irresistible.
My concern is not over getting a referendum. It is over the tactics needed to get an out vote.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Talking seriously Barryw the mouse is pro EU
now, lets get to the nuts and bolts, if the mouse and his lot(your lot)were confident enough to get involved in a vote he would go for it now, he hasn't hes put it off until hes out of office.
Now, we probably share the view that the lib dems will be close to being wiped out at he next general election.
There is no way that the Conservatives will gain an outright majority(nor will any other party)
it will be cobbled together again
and with that will come the doubt, and sell off of the promises the mouse will have made on the vote
he will (if hes still the leader)blame everyone else for the EU vote not happening
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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What number `U` turn will that be.....?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - no the vote cannot happen now given the LibDems would block it.
I have to disagree over an overall majority for the Conservatives. There is a strong chance, Look at the facts..... no-one will want Labour in to repeat their economic screw-ups, the LibDems will suffer from being in government while UKIP will fade when people face a general election.
The best Labour can hope for is a coalition deal with one or more other parties while the Conservative have a chance of an overall majority. The economy is starting to look better and it is that on which the election will depend. A Euro-vote, tough-line over Human Rights and immigration will further boost the Conservative chances - all issues that will damage Labour and the LibDems.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Unfortunatly Barryw
The conservatives are not where you want them to be,
We share the view on the ,lib dems but on the next election we differ.
Of course your wish list on the EU, immigration, Human rights
is not where the conservatives are at.
Like T Blair the mouse has attempted to sell out its supporters and go for where the vote is, rather than any party principles,
So such issues the mouse knows wont get the support, so hes trying to play all camps.
Of course hes not up to that, thus we see with a little public pressure the u turn after u turn.
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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The danger is wider than an EU referendum and is about an ill informed electorate. We won't get an open and honest debate on any of the issues and we will be left voting on our prejudices. "Bread and circus" politics means very few have a grasp of the complete picture - or even want to - and this suits politicians and policy makers inside and outside government.