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Brian Dixon wrote:most try and get away with not paying barry.
We all use all legal means to avoid paying tax and that is right and proper as the government can only operate within the rule of law.
The claim that the rich do not pay any tax as some have said here is laughable and those who think that need to look at the facts not bar-room babble.
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Some rich have a habit of taking back from the economy whatever they are taxed, but many-fold.
Tax them half their top salary, and they''ll take five times as much in bonuses!
The more you tax them, the less money the economy will have as they'll take many times more money back than they were taxed.
The more the people become poorer, all the more these rich will help themselves.
The more the State has a public debt, all the more will some rich carry on lavishing themselves with financial gains.
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Alexander - you have a lot of very strange ideas and when it comes to real life economics absolutely no idea at all.
Keith Sansum1
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certainly some varied views on this subject
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These are not ideas, Barry, but facts. Ever heard of top salaries and bonuses?
Tens of billions of pounds a year have been siphoned out of UK share companies by way of bonuses.
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Of course barryw is aware
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Alexander - your interpretation is wrong, your ideas are absurd and your whole attitude demonstrates a total lack of understanding about how the economy works and even what the economy actually is.
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so you keep saying barry.
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It is self-evident Brian to anyone economically literate or who have actually read the explanations I have many times given to Alexander, that he chooses to ignore.
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it works both ways barry,some government ideas are just as unworkable but still pushed through,and that's all partys.
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There you are right Brian. The less governments do the better and that includes spend and tax less not just their functions.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Even barryw and I agree with less govt interference
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It has been written on the headlines in many papers for years, that bankers in Britain take around £8 billion a year on bonuses.
Then there are the chief executives of other share companies.
Barry is for reducing taxes, but not bonuses.
But money siphoned out of share companies on bonuses goes into a few private pockets, on top of the top salaries these people already are giving themselves.
Barry is one of the few who openly support the self-serving culture of the bonus-people.
You are in a very small minority, Barry.
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What you then right about reducing taxes is hypocrisy.
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Alexander - bonuses and salaries are a matter for the shareholders of the employing companies. It is nothing to do with you or I unless we own the shares in which case we deserve a bigger say than shareholder actually have at the moment.
The only remuneration that is anything to do with the government and us is what is paid out of taxes.
Your hellish idea of a country in which the government is all powerful and dictates what people earn is a way to national poverty and totalitarian rule.
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Barryw
I don't totally agree with you
it is correct that others should not have an imput into private bonus'
but this wears a little thin when the poor are expected to bear the brunt of cuts yet others such as those that you quote continue with bonus's that out rage most people
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No, Barry!
Dictatorship is what we have at present in British Government.
In the last 2 weeks alone, some 11 councillors in England, some town but most borough councillors, have passed over from the Conservative party and from Labour to UKIP.
They all say they are fed up being whipped by the party in what to think and what to say.
UKIP allows its members of Government to govern as free people not as whipped automatons.
What you try to hammer out is a brain-washing whipping of people, telling them what they must say and what they must not.
More and more people in Local and Central Government (for example backbench MPs) are seeing the reality, that they are ultimately controlled by a party central elite that in turn is doing the interests of the lobbyists who PAY them in return for legislation.
These central Con/Labour elites then whip MPs and councillors into submission and tell them what they MUST vote and what they MUST NOT vote.
Dictatorship is what the British People are currently realising as being the governing system, combined with lobbying elites paying money for legislation.
Your Tory party is steadily on its way out
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Alexander
Cant say I often agree with you, heres another time I don't lol
Its not a dictatorship when ELECTED govts carry out policies that they were ELECTED to do.
UKIP is presently on the crest of a wave, but then that shouldn't bother you as you couldn't even be bothered to help there cause by voting for them, so I don't understand why you wish to promote them.
People come and go in parties for bigger reasons, and other reasons than a whip.
We should also consider you sign to be part of club and there rules and regulations, if you don't wish to abide by them then don't be in the club.
Of course you could consider the independent route, but even many of those have been found wanting and shown not to be realy independent at all.
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Alexander is very mixed up and confused Keith.
UKIP are rather like my brand of traditional Tory and in many ways closer to my thinking than Cameron. Pity they have no chance at all of ever winning an election and, as anyone with any experience in politics knows, it takes a broader voter appeal to get enough votes to win. They can only split the 'right' vote and let in Labour or a Lib/Lab coalition and both of these would be a disaster for this country. This is why the 'right' needs to unite around the Conservative Party at the next election.
Alex - the views, confused as they are, that you express are rather at odds with UKIP, except perhaps your anti-EU feelings.
Voting UKIP only gets what sensible people do not want - a more pro-EU and left leaning government that will resume bankrupting this country.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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See barryw we can at the very least partyly agree,
govts of all backgrounds need to get support from a far wider audience than the left or right
UKIP as another protest party will as barryw says split the vote, and probably will take those votes from conservative party guys/girls. and at the same time let in labour.
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