Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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IF, Barry, the productive economy is returned to Britain, and UK employers actually take to training and employing Brits.
Then yes, you may be right!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That you leave to the market Alexander
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, who, and what is the market?
Is it dictated by an elite of irresponsible employers?
The market also includes the many, also the impoverished and the unemployed.
We are all part of the market, we all have the right to demand a fair deal.
The days of self-indulging and irresponsible elitism must come to an end.
They have bagged the economy dry.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander - you need to learn from history. Economies change and develop as dictated by the market. Manufacturing moves to where it is cheapest. Are you aware that China is now suffering from wage inflation? That incredibly there are now labour shortages in some regions and they are allowing in immigrant labour from other countries to compensate? Things change Alexander and develop. If you cannot do certain things competitively then you do other things.
Try to stop that and you get a disaster.
We need to make our economy more competitive as the Chinese economy has started to change itself to a consumer led economy and is becoming more expensive. No-one individual or company or government controls this.
What you have to do is change yourself and evolve. We need to reduce the burden of government, to increase incentives to invest and build businesses, to reduce the risks and through that the costs (not wages) of employing people.
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Eurozone in crisis: One in four youths is jobless as unemployment across 17 nations in the single
currency reaches record high
Total unemployment rises to 19.4 million amid fresh criticism of austerity
Young people are bearing the brunt of Europe's jobs crisis, it was confirmed, as unemployment
across the eurozone soared to a record high.
Nearly one in four 16 to 24-year-olds across the 17 nations in the single currency is now out of work
, according to monthly figures published by the EU's data office, Eurostat.
The latest 95,000 rise in April took the overall jobless count to a record 19.38 million people, or
12.2 per cent, and puts unemployment on course to breach the 20 million mark by the end of the year.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW is right when he states that business and employers need to be protected and encouraged with lower taxes etc. to help them survive and ultimately build a stronger economy, that will eventually help everyone.
However, too many big business/employers, are not content just to run a successful business anymore.
They are following the trend of 'need for greed' focusing on what they think is the most important thing and that is how much more successful they can become.
That is fine and how it should be for the likes of BarryW but it is horrendous for the rest of us and we are the ones paying for this folly, not just here in the UK but further afield as well which in turn will serve to make it even worse.
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There is nowt wrong with profit as properly used it helps fuel growth.
Reducing taxes must encompass all economically active individuals not just the wealthy.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC wrote:BarryW is right when he states that business and employers need to be protected and encouraged with lower taxes etc. to help them survive and ultimately build a stronger economy, that will eventually help everyone.
However, too many big business/employers, are not content just to run a successful business anymore.
They are following the trend of 'need for greed' focusing on what they think is the most important thing and that is how much more successful they can become.
That is fine and how it should be for the likes of BarryW but it is horrendous for the rest of us and we are the ones paying for this folly, not just here in the UK but further afield as well which in turn will serve to make it even worse.
Not horrendous at all - is is the sources of all our wealth and ultimately well being.
It might be horrendous for those who do not like change perhaps but that is not everyone and even if you don't like it you will benefit from it. Take the technology changes over the last 20 years as one example.
Those of us in business have to embrace change and move with it. Those of us who do not fail. The most successful are among the first to make the change. We all benefit ultimately.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ross Miller wrote:There is nowt wrong with profit as properly used it helps fuel growth.
Reducing taxes must encompass all economically active individuals not just the wealthy.
Correct Ross. No-one at the level of the minimum wage at a 37 1/2 week should be paying tax while no-one should pay a higher percentage on money earned in excess of that than anyone else.
Keith Sansum1
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if the lower paid were to be seen to be helped more than the rich
maybe some faith will be restored
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I don't think the majority of people resent paying a reasonable level of tax provided it's used sensibly by government and not spunked on nonsense
I don't think the multinationals play the game ,governments give them to much room for avoidance
Ukip say lift the tax burden on the poor no tax until £13000 earnings
Level the tax on the rich and shut down the tax scams.
If the rules are simple, fancy shuffling of the rules become harder to justify
We can save £60 billion a year by shutting down the scams and the quangoes
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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but didn't ukip also say the rich should pay a lot less?/
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
How can they pay less than the nothing the pay now?
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Brian Dixon
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you could allways give them a tax rebate,seeing that they are claiming every thing else gary.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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that's true garyc
but there have arguments from some that some who do pay taxes at the top pay to much
ukip looks to reduce that
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I don't like to see the rich pay nothing, this has to change
There seems to be a lot of evidence for this levelling and simplification of the tax system, no twists no terns you pay the same on all earnings over £1300
No none doms ,or star bucks bull shit ,every body pays up
Keith if it doesn't work it can be changed
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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To suggest the rich pay no tax is absurd. Get the facts straight.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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most try and get away with not paying barry.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, many share company executives take bonuses from their company, so they end up with more money than their original basic top salary BEFORE it is taxed.
Example: top salary = £300,000 a year. Pay 50% tax, remainder = £150,000 a year.
Add £1 million bonus. Pay 50% tax on bonus, remainder = £500,000 a year.
Total annual net income: £150,000 + £500,000 = £800,000.
That's £650,000 a year more than their original net income of £150,000.
And £500,000 more than their original top salary of £300,000 BEFORE it was taxed.
One colossal rip off!