howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#1
courtesy of ddc website, progress at last ?
Erection of a detached building incorporating 8 flats, a scooter store and guest bedroom
(existing building to be demolished)
1-7, Cowgate Hill, Dover, CT17 9AY
Demolition of existing building
1-7, Cowgate Hill, Dover, CT17 9AY
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
I am sure that has been turned down in the past, mostly due to the Roman/Saxon archaeology just below the surface there....
2005 in fact...
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#3
The Municipal Charities of Dover want to build new acommodation for people and there had been refusal(s) in the past, mostly on Conservation grounds.
The building has deteriorated to such an extent that it is more economical to knock it down(there's no architectural merit in the small row of terraced houses) and build good quality accommodation.
Roger
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#4
Why can't they modernise and do up the terraced houses? Who is to say there is no architectural merit in them I wonder ? They obviously have history.
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Guest 761- Registered: 10 Jul 2012
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#5
For a property owner history and damp, rot, poor insulation etc are often one and the same!
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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#6
Those-that-presume-to-be-in-charge probably also said there was no architectural merit in The Cause Is Altered (over the road from Cowgate Hill on the corner of Queen Street) when that ancient inn was needlessly razed to the ground in the early '70s in an act of jawdropping civic vandalism, to make way for a stunted dual carriageway from nowhere to nowhere:
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#7
They have only deteriorated as they have purposely been left empty and allowed to rot for at least the past 5 years
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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#8
Ah yes, Paul aka Scotchie, of course - that time-honoured business model: let the places rot and crumble for aeons, then cite scaremongery elf 'n safety issues and pull them down before they fall down. Preferably when no-one's looking.
That's how it goes, isn't it?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#9
The NPPF issued on 27 March 2012 (I suppose) gives the current state of play;Archaeology Vs 'Progress'...
http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/planningandbuilding/nppfIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#10
So very true Andrew.
The other strange thing that tends to happen is that the building catches fire, amazingly it is always faceless vandals that are to blame.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#11
They've been closed for a long time it is true, but plans to modernise them always came up against a brick wall of no no no.
It has been broken into and vandalised more than once, even though it has been made as secure as possible, but people will always break in (anywhere) if they really want to.
The Municipal Charities always wanted to do them up, but when it got to the point of being more costly to repair than rebuild, rebuild it had to be.
The Cause is Altered was before we came to Dover, but I agree it was a shame that such an old pub/building had to be knocked down in the name of progress; I'm sure that happens all over the country - doesn't make it right though.
Roger
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#12
By the way, how old was the Cause when it was demolished ?
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#13
The Cause seems a 16th century building, Roger.
As for damp in the terraced houses on Cowgate Hill, could it be damp coming through the roof in the form of rain?
Next they'll be knocking down the Painted Roman House because of damp coming from a leaked pipe leading to the bath.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#14
Not the case at all with the Cowgate terraces Alexander. The delays in getting Cowgate approved, was the cause of its deterioration. Money has been spent on making it waterproof and burglar proof - not always fully successful.
Roger
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#15
still there paul.as of this morning.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#16
to my mind anything is better than just leaving the buildings to rot.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#17
allways took them as ocupied howard.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#18
Now thats renovation, very impressive.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#19
queens gardens does look good, just a pity that they could not have been more choosy over some o the tenants there.
the forner pub at the other end - prince of orange? is a good example of leaving the facade and original features as they were whilst converting into flats.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#20
I am a Trustee for the Municipal Charities Paul and it is certainly not the case that it has been allowed to deteriorate just so a new build can be put there.
There have been several good plans for refurbishment and internal alterations to gain the maximum number of units, but each one has been turned down. It was also stated over many years that agreement must be reached before the buildings reach the point of no return and have to be dermolished, but no compromise was forthcoming.
I won't be able to vote on this at the Planning Committee because of a conflict of interest.
Roger
Been nice knowing you :)
