Climate change facts
- 9 January 2013 18:39209204
- 9 January 2013 18:52209212Nobody, not even the folk what write the stuff Philip avails us of, has said that the planet is doing anything of the sort. Certainly not Mr. Brown, the latest of P's exposé. What if, if the planet were to... etc.
Either way, there has never been such a subject to offer such rich pickings for press coverage.
"The DNA of Jack the Ripper has been found in a Paris traffic tunnel. Could global warming be to blame?"Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 9 January 2013 20:30209242Sae levels used to come up to Richborough Castle, in roman times,
them chariots must have been very smoky - 9 January 2013 22:12209260Indeed. Such a fascinating issue this global warming stuff. All human life is there - greed, avarice, gullibility, fraud, deception, intelligent people sure of their facts, the cause of death due to money being diverted into saving the planet rather than saving the poor - Yes it's all there and more.
In fact, like a potboiler airport novel which you read but never believe those involved in this major scam are making mugs out of all of us. The planet's chief snake oil salesman and climate warrior in chief, Al Gore, finishes the chapter with this little turn of events:
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/al-gore-now-richer-than-romney-thanks-to-oil-not-green-energy/
Now who would have thought it eh?
Still those happy gloomsters intent on reading the Guardian and Independent and willing to vote for the three mainstream parties will continue on their self deluded quest to prove that Man is indeed the enemy of nature.
Environmentalists eh? Killing people to save the planet.
More on Al Gore here:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/22334/an-inconvenient-truth-al-gore-sells-current-tv-to-the-emir-of-fossil-fuels - 10 January 2013 00:31209273From Sky News:
"Some newspapers and broadcasters took that to mean that global warming had stopped - effectively proving that the sceptics on climate change were right."
This, the Met Office has insisted, was not the case.
"temperatures will remain well above the long-term average and we will continue to see temperatures like those which resulted in 2000-2009 being the warmest decade in the instrumental record dating back to 1850."
Sorry, Philip, sorry Howard
Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
Rule Britannia!
Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 10 January 2013 00:55209275Ahh dear Alexander. Still getting your news from Sky and the BBC eh? Ah well not to worry. Some time over the next ten years or so they may catch up and carry out some proper journalism such as can be found here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/09/uk-rainfall-2012-the-report-the-met-office-should-have-produced/
But let's not let an inconvenient lie get in the way of cold, hard facts shall We?
Much like the RSPCA and the RSPB and other "animal rights" (do animals really deserve rights?) organisations the Met office is merely a quango and in hoc to the government for their funding. To go against the grain in these matters is to commit professional suicide so no truth there then.
But, but, but they seem such nice people I hear you say. You know that bloke who does the weather, that woman who is eternally pregnant who tells us that a cold front is heading our way - they seem such nice, truthful people.
Hmmmn.
Look, if your career depended on keeping quiet and propping up the status quo wouldn't you do the same?
Anyway as it happens old Rupert himself was tweeting madly the other day having a pop at "alternative" energy and the non warming of the planet. With any luck he's still got some influence on the Sky broadcasting organisation who adopted a warmist approach to things when it suited. I suspect the penny will drop when they all get to the truth that We are set for a few decades pf extreme cooling.
Incidentally to those who think wind farms are the answer check out how much wind is being produced here and now:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
Beggar all. - 10 January 2013 21:07209426Interesting little known pie charts. Scroll down the page and see another one.
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/blog/our-co2/ - 10 January 2013 21:49209433"Why do we not see such easy to understand graphics on the BBC, I wonder?"
Yes, because every Statistician loves a pie chart subjected to 3-Dimensional representation and even perspective!
Clearly produced by a 'scientist' that is happy to discredit science in the name of producing a credible 'graphic'. (see white line comment).
In terms of the Daily Mail report, who provide a fairly pretty graph with a wonderfully vague legend...who needs actual statistics when you have colours and headlines:
An old friend of mine (a scientist that doesn't use pie charts unless talking to school children) declined to provide a report to the Daily Mail's 'Science Editor' on the basis that he was astounded that the Daily Mail had a such a position and that it was clearly a hoax. - 10 January 2013 22:18209440I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting that the use of graphics to describe scientific statistics is invalid as a means of informing the world of facts? Are you saying that no serious scientist ever uses graphics but falls back on thousands of numbers listed on a page which might resemble computer language than a serious attempt to educate?
Hmmn, that puts paid to thousands upon thousands of research papers which mostly contain charts of some description.
Exactly what sphere of the scientific realm did your friend study?
It's a shame you do not comment on the substance of the graphs rather than rubbishing a widely accepted form of scientific communication of ideas and facts.
The point of the charts was to highlight the undeniable fact that the UK's total man-made emissions amount to something negligible - hardly able to register a number in terms of Worldwide emissions and yet We have laws which imperil our economic security.
That's the way I read it anyhow. - 10 January 2013 22:33209442When it comes to climate change, scientists are as bad as economists. You can always find one who will, for a fee, express your opinion with a degree of gravitas and authority.
But it's our descendants who will be the first to know whether we are indeed entering a Warm Period; or indeed whether we are experiencing the 50-200 year rapid warming which has prefaced each of the previous ice ages.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 10 January 2013 23:04209444Eye read that...
...Francis Maude 'whispered', just before Christmas, his plan to fund uneconomic windfarms by forcing the Government Procurement Service (GPS) to buy electricity from them at above-market rates...GPS will now be forced to underwrite projects so uneconomic they cannot attract finance even with the lavish level of subsidy already available, by offering 15-year purchase contracts at prices high enough to make them bankable...The governments own Department of Energy and Climate Change set out reasons for the lack of suitability in a consultation paper last year. The contracts, it said, "allow renewable developers to transfer market risks [such as] wind forecasting risk away from their projects" - on to the buyer. "These liabilities...could put a [buyer's] credit rating at risk".
Maude claims this will save taxpayers money.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 11 January 2013 23:27209649Sorry Phillip, but I actually agree with you on so much of your cause:
Climate change may not be purely man made. As a result it should not be a reason for stealth taxation (in the proper sense of 'stealth taxation'), and we should not be trying to save the planet - after all it will outlive the human race anyway.
My point is that we have to maintain our civilisation, regardless of doctrine. Our immediate understanding is no better than that of the ignorance of ancient Greece or Rome.
If the climate does change a few degrees (which without human influences it inevitably will) then the sociological outcomes are beyond your rather limited wind farm hatred.
On the way to work everyday, I drive past a functioning windmill (albeit in my internal-combustion engine machine), however I never condemn such a structure, an icon of an age that led us to industrial revolution. I embrace the fact that renewable energy can be so abundant but also understand that the petrol in my car is also a derivative of solar power
I'm all for for nuclear power and using fossil fuels, but I also know that we live on a large rock of finite size. Peter pitches it well, as Prince Charles did recently (although it pains me to say it (Prince Charles)). We are fine now, but what are handing on to future generations?
Philip, in terms of my friend, a degree in physics, then a MSc in Mathmatical modelling of the Environment, then a PhD in Climate Dynamics. He's also a really nice bloke. How do you know the person that produced these pie charts and what are their credentials?
...or are they one of these Johny Ball types? - 12 January 2013 01:09209659You say "Climate change may not be purely man made" which makes you a "denialist". If this is the case get over it and live with it - it's very enlightening.
Then you say this: "My point is that we have to maintain our civilization, regardless of doctrine. Our immediate understanding is no better than that of the ignorance of ancient Greece or Rome.". - Pure psycobabble.and meaningless I'm afraid.
"If the climate does change a few degrees (which without human influences it inevitably will) then the sociological outcomes are beyond your rather limited wind farm hatred". - Sorry what's that all about? A rather limited wind farm hatred? Nonsense x 10,000.
You're not making any sense so far.
Then you opine "On the way to work everyday, I drive past a functioning windmill". - Really? I don't believe you. You must be hallucinating. Check this real time meter for proof.
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
Wait for it........"an icon of an age that led us to industrial revolution". - So you can't tell the difference between a wind turbine and a windmill? Hmmmmn.
Then you talk about Prince Charles. That's the same Charlie who was recorded making rather odd sweet nothings to his mistress whilst married to Diana? The same one who talks to plants? The same who has been warning of the collapse of civilization since he was in nappies? I pay no heed to anything that lunatic says.
You also say that your friend is a "really nice bloke". Gosh I should have gone to University and studied law and just dropped out relying on my really nice personality to convince prospective employers that I had all the credentials to do the job they wanted.
As for knowing the person who produced the pie charts what difference would it make if I knew them or not? If the facts are correct then the facts are correct.
Perhaps you are suggesting that if I knew them and I thought they were really nice blokes then you might feel assured that what those charts represented were indeed correct?
It sounds as if you do not accept widely accepted statistics unless they are broadcast on the BBC or other such reputable outlets in which case there is nothing anyone can do to open your eyes to the obvious which is...............You've been had. - 12 January 2013 05:18209661Well it is cold outside at this time roll on the summer weeks. No more to say.
- 12 January 2013 07:35209673God bless debate.
Copy each line of my post and then just respond to it with a term like 'nonsense' or my particular favourite 'nonsense x 10,000' - if only if had been 100000, then you really have had a point.
Using this playground method, I admit defeat (x10) and can honestly say what's the point (x1000000)? - Brian Dixon
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12 January 2013 09:40209689well the climate has changrd in last couple of days,from a reasonably mild days to cold ones.who shell we blame this time blair/brown,cameron/osbourne,or those infernal yanks/chianesse. - 12 January 2013 10:48209692Darren, I must have told you millions of times not to exaggerate like that.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 12 January 2013 18:46209754Sorry to sound like Brian Cox but the picture heading this article is, well, Amazing. does anyone have any idea when it might have been taken. I've never seen the sea come over the prom as high as it did in the picture.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100197657/the-met-office-defending-the-indefensible-as-per-usual/ - 12 January 2013 21:22209779Nothing the uk do will offset America and china in emissions
All we in Europe have dun is move production of are goods to china so as to keep the pollution they produce away from are doorsteps , and at the same time sacked are Owen workers
And borrowed the money to do it - 12 January 2013 21:35209783nearly right keith but you left out india.