Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The Prime Minister has been riding high on the adulation of his Eurosceptic backbenchers after his veto vote.
But he has backed himself into a corner.Any hint of a deal with Europe will be seen as a `U`turn.
The current mixed messages cannot continue.Nor can the neutered Mr Clegg do it on his own.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Reg yes Cameron certainly riding high at the moment, his tail is up for sure. But he will in time have to reach some kind of compromise in these things. I see the UK are now joining the future EU summits/discusions but as observers only....with no voice, just gaping from the wings. Sort of bizarre isnt it. We will in time have to extracate ourselves from this oddball situation. Cameron will have to move forward from here, he is currently camping in no mans land...then we will see the knives out for sure...from his own side!! The Conservatives!
I dont know what Clegg is about. He was telephoning the French to complain yesterday, he is chastising the eurosceptics today.. I dont know..bewildering.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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disagree reg, dave is in control at the moment - popular at home over the veto and the french and germans are at each others throats.
this morning a new improved quota was awarded to our fishing persons with french and german representatives backing it.
that would not have happened a couple of weeks ago.
Keith Sansum1
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howard;
sorry we wont agree here
dave made a major error
paulb;
cleggy has always been pro europe and trying to distance himself from barryw's dave, but its all to late.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Whats the obsession with 'u-turns' as you call them. Surely everyone and every council and every government are allowed to rethink decisions if/when circumstances change ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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paul
you have stated in the past your pro tory so your comments come as no surprize
but what we need is leadership
not leadersless govt
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I agree Paul - it's better to rethink than go blindly on.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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thats correct when u admit you cocked up
and then the new decision is a better one
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Brian Dixon
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the whole country is cocked up.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there are two distinct types of u turns as i see it.
the first is where circumstances change and an adjustment is needed - no problem with that.
the second is when a half baked plan is put into operation without sufficient research - very different and costly.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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today we have
1; leaderless dave
2; cleggy and dave pretending to be friends, yet outwardly attacking each other
3; cobbled together govt falling apart
4;right wing tory membership wanting blood from dave, and he pretends there not
realy a right wing party9who is he kidding?)
5; credibility in the world and europe at an all time low
thats for starters
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul B, what can Britain gain by joining in on discussions over the eurozone crisis? I'd have thought it better to let the eurostates and aspiring eurozone countries sort that one out themselves.
Ireland has now officially hit recession with a substantial -2% in the last quarter. France is dipping into the bailout area.
Britain cannot afford to give any more money - not even in form of loans - to any other country, and yet, to "save the euro" trillions of euros would be needed.
And Britain would have to give hundreds of billions of pounds towards that sum.
Surely Britain and Ireland could pull out of the EU and both flourish, and trade with Europe and the world. I would fully support letting Ireland off with any owed loans to Britain.
But, if we get involved in discussions on the eurocrisis, we'd end up being asked to pay hundreds of billions to half of the bankrupt Eurozone states, and believe me, they would never be able to pay that money back.
Does anyone really believe Greece will ever repay their outstanding loans?
Nick Clegg has just signed away any chance of the LibDems ever getting near a seat in Parliament again. But surely Dave must realise that if he says once more to the masses: "no EU referendum, we must save the euro", he will end up loosing the support of everyone in this Country.
I'm beginning to wonder if millionaire Dave likes being cynical to the people, if he likes making us suffer.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,quite alot really but our boys will have no say in the matter,thanks to dave and the euroceptics.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well brian you may well be correct, problem is if your right we will all suffer.
daves latest move to please his right wing friends will badly affect his chances at the next election, as alexander says hes speaking differently to each audience he sees.
latest move shows that, whilst on the other hand he keeps telling everyone all the time hes prime minister we will be part of the e.u. double speak?
it doesn't work when his own right wing party want out, and barryw's dave cant please both bodies
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Divisions on Europe point to a rocky road ahead for the Coalition.
It transpires that Clegg asked for one of his civil servants to join the British team at the Summit but Cameron refused permission.
Mr Clegg thought he had an agreement/promise to be telephoned before any decision that Cameron made that would put at risk Britain being Isolated.
At a frosty meeting Clegg demanded concessions from Cameron.He wll now be consulted during all future EU Summit meetings and one of his civil servants will attend all future EU meetings.
Mr Clegg is desperate to retrieve our place in Europe jeopardised by Cameron`s throughly amateur attempts at negotiating at top level.
Cleggs real fear is that Cameron would again put Party first if he had to choose.
Europe will not go away.Nor will unemployment.
Cameron`s problem ``Error of judgement``is beginning to close in.
His problems with Europe and unemployment are only just beginning and will stay until 2015.........if ?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I can't see the coalition lasting till 2015. Clegg has flung all his toys from the cot, and millionaire Dave still has not started any initiative for economic recovery in the private sector.
As for Europe, to be fair on Dave, Hungaru and the Check Republic have both pulled out of any agreement of fiscal union with the EU.
We might be wise to consider how Italy will fare, because they want a bailout, a big one, and no-one's got the money to give it them.
To me it looks like save yourself. The euroship is going under, and Captain Dave has a rebellious liutenant Clegg flinging party-donoughts at everyone, even to the annoyance of Monsieur Sarkozy and his honourable government.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Nick Clegg is to attack Cameron ( that will teach him !!) and fellow Tories who back a Tax break for married couples,ridiculing them for wanting to``preserve in aspic``a 1950s view of ``aproned,homemaking mothers``
Lib/Dems want to distance themselves from tories arguing that they take a fundamentally different view of how society is developing.
Clegg will point out that tories have not moved with the times and that society is constantly evolving.
Clegg will be making the distinction between Lib/Dems who want an ``Open Society``and Cameron`s fictional``Big Society``.
Yet another rift to deal with.....................Flashman should have phoned Clegg!!.....these rifts will now continue!!!!!!!!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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reg;
of course your right.
if your a tory and right wing at that, you will probably see barryw's dave move as a good one.
but he will come unstuck with his own right wing party as he believes in europe and wont ever be pulling out, so he has those balls to juggle.
then he has cleggy who is trying to distance hmself from the tories, yet be part of a co olition.
if it wasn't so serious it would be laughable
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this married couples tax break issue will further divide them.
nick has very aggressively mocked dave over his "outdated" thinking, the gloves are clearly off between the two.
the european veto has struck a nerve with the yellows and they believe they have the upper hand now.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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In reality howard, the lib dems are a party finished as soon as an election is called and even cleggy realises that.
there only hope now is to salvage a few seats back, and rebuild for the following general election.
barryw's dave also knows hes neverl likely to win outright as apathy rules, and his latest moves to please those on thre right of his party has done a great deal not only to damage the co olition but more so the UK standing across the world
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