Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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14 November 2010
17:1780034#21
Bern
Sadly there are a number of people who dont fear prison.
I dont read national or local papers so dont get my views from them.
IM no do gooder, I can only justify those i meet and what i see.
let me give you a story
When i worked on the ticket barrier Dover priory (to cut the story short)a liverpool man came through looking for his cases, they were with the supervisor(i know now didnt know then)and with police/customes in plain clothes.
When I told the gent this he went running down the Folkestone road, I spoke to these plain clothes guys who then went running after him, a year later he turned up at his home and i had to go to county court(that was a bad experience)and once all the cock ups of lack of communcation got sorted and the case got underway, this gent knew only of a life of prison from the age of 8.
Even his brief was indicating that this was his lifestyle and happy for it although tried to get sentence reduced it was half hearted.
thats just one of many stories that im sure we can all relate to.
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14 November 2010
20:3780058#22
I thought I had mentioned those who are habitual because they don't know or function in any other environment?
Of course there are some who don't fear prison, duh, but for us to think that it is because it is a doddle is just plain ridiculous. Life is complex, it isn't a simple matter of the bad going to prison and the good not going to prison, any more than being convicted of something means your life should end and you are worthless. We are much much more than the sum of what we have done.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2010
21:0580063#23
reading what keith has said about the character he encountered i cannot see any other outcome than repetitive prison sentences.
it sounds like he has not realised that family history and background are not an excuse for just carrying on the same way.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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14 November 2010
22:1080068#24
I think after sifting through this thread, people will think twice before ever burning a poppy!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2010
22:4180071#25
in the interest of balance the muslim council of great britain issued a press release after the incident deploring the behaviour and pointing out that the great majority of muslims would be observing the two minutes silence.
they also pointed out that 2.5 million muslims fought on our side in the two world wars.
a bit sad that the national papers chose not to publish this.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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14 November 2010
22:5180072#26
Sadly you could balance that with the muslim battalions that fought for Hitler.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 November 2010
23:2280076#27
I have i suppose been lucky throughout my life to know right from wrong and not been down the prison route.
And as howard/bern says the case i highlight did show a family member(by the way he was about 55 years of age)he knew nothing else.
I wouldnt want to serve one night in prison but that said i dont think the present prison system deters many
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Guest 676- Registered: 1 Jul 2008
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14 November 2010
23:3980083#28
But dont forget some people do change, I know someone (not in Dover) who has served several prison sentances, yet is now a Councillor.
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2010
00:0280089#29
stewart
that was only because they upset the chamber of commerce though.
any relevance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 November 2010
08:3580101#30
Thanks Howard.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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15 November 2010
12:1580121#31
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15 November 2010
15:5580141#32
But there is a serious point here: people develop in lots of ways. Having done bad stuff or having known bad people doesn't mean one is "bad". There is almost always the potential for change. Being in prison at some point doesn't mean someone is bad any more than going to church every Sunday means one is good!!
Alec Sheldon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
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15 November 2010
18:1180148#33
Just seen this on youtube. He seems like a sensible fellow.
Sorry don't know how to do the business of just clicking on link.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 November 2010
19:3280162#34
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link now live Alec
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Alec Sheldon- Location: Dover
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15 November 2010
22:2080204#35
Thanks Marek
16 November 2010
11:0980255#36
What a lot of sense!!! Way to go! This guy articulates almost exactly what many people think.
