Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It should have been titled 'What is sophistry?' A finer example I have yet to see outside the pages of the Eye.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1
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The only part of rogers post i agree with is that when maggiepushed to sell off all the council houses then she should of also allowed council houses to be built, but she didnt
it was a political move, sadly
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Why don't you support people who want to buy their own home Keith ?
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think the issue is one of making housing stock available for rent to anyone that prefers that. in the foreseeable future there is little chance of people getting on the housing ladder leading to a lot more buy to let properties.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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If the racket in over pricing of homes building was broken,
Homes could become Affordabull .
We have price fixing amongst house builders, just like the big energy companies
And the quality's crap to ,cheep wooden sheds with a brick skin dressed up as an expensive build.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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With the selling of council homes and not replacing them, we see now as howard says the problem it creates
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The house-pricing scene is a disgrace, and many a new housing block looks disgusting to say the least.
Pig-ugly housing estates have been built and sold at extortionate prices. The house-price racket needs sorting out.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jean and I went up to stay near Enfield last week-end and visited our old haunts of St. Albans and Barnet. Whilst there, we looked in Estate Agents windows and compared to them, all our properties are affordable.
When we lived up there, a two-up/two down in a not particularly great area, was cheap - very cheap, now they are just under £400,000 - what can your buy in and around Dover for that money ?
If we could attract those who own, say, a 3 bed-semi, almost anywhere in the Home Counties or Greater London to come here, they could buy somewhere very nice for cash, somewhere in France, Spain, Cyprus etc. for cash and commute on the high-speed train.
They'd be living here and (mostly) spending here too.
Roger
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"compared to them, all our properties are affordable"
" just under £400,000 - what can your buy in and around Dover for that money ?"
If all of this home ownership, or indeed any of it, was geared simply to have more folk buy rather than rent why would there be 'starter properties'?
A desire to own rather than rent might well be the driving force from the personal perspective, but it is the long-term indebtedness and the trading-up (facilitated by rising prices and the lack of housing stock) that transforms personal desire into a money-market. The difficulty in building 'affordable starter homes' is with making them worth the mortgage, a problem only partly solved by not building many at all and bringing Local Authority housing stock into the market.
All the time this becomes less and less about homes and more about money.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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some good points tom
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Its good jobs that will lift the Dover area,
Not importing lots of Londoners that got lucky on there council house sales
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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keithb
interesting point geezer
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Who is talking about "Londoners that got lucky on there council house sales" ? I'm talking (and I'm sure it must have been obvious) people who currently live in the Greater London area and who work in the City, on a salary of £40,000 upwards (I was earning this 18 years ago, so the likelyhood is, that the salaries are even higher), could be encouraged to move to Dover and live in the good quality houses that will be built.
These people will spend in Dover if Dover is providing what they want. It's up to us to make sure we do provide the needs of all.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I recall all this was going to happen on the Folkesyone road
I see every day quite the opposite
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I don't remember anything like that Keith.
When the flat conversions started, you, Vic and myself were very vociferous about what would happen and we were proved right; sadly planning rules said they must go ahead and so the decline started.
Section 215s have been issued to a number of landlords up here, so we may see a change for the better, but it's not just the properties themselves, it's those who live in them and who seem intent in bringing the area down to their level.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Part of the conversions was to bring about(in planning officers eyes) the affect you mention, I did at the time consistently
appear at/speak at/write to/campaign against
the planning officers being wrong, sadly it gives me no pleasure to see todays Folkestone Road, and likely to get worse.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It has got slightly better from a waste point of view, but there is serious neglect in many of the front gardens.
Roger
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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The problem is that so many, I hasten to add not all, of those that rent should never have a garden as they have no interest in maintaining them, while at the same time many without a garden would love one.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Communal allotments Jan? Something to spend some of this 'new' money on.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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we have plenty of allotments in dover tom.
