Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You suffering Keith? No, come off it. There are people suffering all right but lets get it all into perspective. You have a full belly, a roof over your head, a wage coming in and warm clothes in this cold weather. People 'suffering' are those who do not have these things and there are very few in this country thankfully - to suggest we are 'all suffering' is an insult to millions all over the world who really are suffering.
Keith Sansum1
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Barryw
I think your last post is insulting to those suffering in the UK, and certainly not the FEW you indicate.
I try not to personalise things, as a socialist I think of others, not my own background, not that i would discuss my financial affairs on here
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Your idea of suffering is not one millions worldwide would recognise, or indeed, earlier generations of Britons. Nothing to do with your finances but you have a comfortable life compared to millions of others.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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You are again assuming you know mine and the majority of the UK backgrounds and you don't.
I don't share your view of suffering in the UK
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Jan Higgins
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It all depends what you consider to be suffering I suppose. In comparison with some poverty stricken areas of the world nobody in the UK is suffering but if you compare a child getting bullied at school because their parents can not afford the same things as his peer group he is suffering.
Suffering is relative to the norm of where you live.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Invensys sale signals the end of an era in British Industry .....the break-up of one of British great industrial concerns
is going to the might of German Engineering group Siemens who have paid £ 1.7 billion for Invensys Rail Business.
When will we realise we need Industrial Manufacturing to help us out of ....no economic growth.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Commercial matters for the companies concerned, no-one else.
When governments interfere things get worse. All that subsidy and protectionism of the 60's and 70's did not help and merely reinforced economic decline.
Yes, we need more manufacturing - yes we need growth, yes we need more jobs and better paid jobs. To get it we need the government off our backs, supply side reform, a bonfire of red tape to make it easier and less risky to emply people, we need to incentivise wealth generation and stop attackingn the successful and wealthy, we need lower flat and simple taxes.
We need exactly the opposite of what Reg wants.
Reg - or more specifically the attitude to government and business that he represents, is the guilty party damaging our economy and prospects.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i bet the german government would have intervened if the positions had been reversed.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 28 ...totally agree...........Thatcher compounded the problem by making the Finance sector priority.....to the detriment
of manufacturing ............
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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In your imagination Reg. She introduced the first real financial services regulation in 1988. What destroyed a significant proportion of industry was the subsidy, government controls and militant trade unions we suffered before Mrs T. Even so we still had growth in industrial production during her time, it contracted after 1997. It was Brown who damaged the financial regulatory system relaxing controls Mrs T had in place and encouraged abuses.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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1997.........in your imagination..........
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So the FSA was not constituted by Brown then? Brown did not make that famous Mansion House speech then? So Brown did not give independence to the Bank of England and removed them being responsible for the banks then? So my friend who used to be a bank chief executive was lying to me when he said that his quarterly grilling with the Bank of England ended in 1997 then? (incidentally - he retired before his banking successors messed things up... his bank did not get bailed out either...)
Face the facts and not your imaginary world in which you blame a lady who left office 22 years ago.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 28....French Government show the way to keep their industries...................
Arcelor Mittal threatened to make 650 redundancies ....so the French Government threatened to nationalise the plant
and resell it to a private buyer..........Arcelor Mittal then agreed to cancel the 650 redundancies and to invest £ 146 million
in the plant .......the French Government then agreed not to nationalise the Company .
In contrast to the UK Government who just let the market place decide the destiny of our industries.........
Could this attitude decide our Port ?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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We appear to have to suffer way past 2015, without doubt the mouse will come second in the general election
and to be fair labour will be the largest party but not get enough seats for overall control
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Brian Dixon
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yeah,they are talking 2020 now.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The mouse is in danger of losing seats he wouldnt usually lose
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yes kieth but whos botherd any way.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well im sure the mouse is
and wider the party will be
but the political unrest distrust of all party politicians we should all be concerned about
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,who ever gets in will get in.what ever be will be.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Don't share that view brian, but ok
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