Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Here you are Keith, 166 as I said.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
Ross Miller wrote:And?
According to stats from both the Home Office and the French government approx 72% of all attempted crossings are stopped by the French authorities and the individuals returned to France - but of course you wont find this in a UK paper etc as it doesn't fit the agenda
Yeah right, ( and you believe that?
) I’ve always known that the Guardian and the MSM etc., are really secretly ‘far right’ in all they portray.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
'We are determined to stop migrants putting their lives at risk, and we are working tirelessly alongside the French government to do so‘
Exactly what I mentioned and predicted in my previous post #27.........pathetic!
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
Ross stated....”The sad truth is the determination of migrants and people traffickers to succeed is greater than ours.”
Correct, at least greater than the imbeciles in government at the moment, not of the people.
There is no will to stop this, never has been and never will be. In fact when you think about it, it’s a waste of bloody time even discussing it!
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,070
John Buckley wrote:In fact when you think about it, it’s a waste of bloody time even discussing it!
Do not despair, JB; it can only be a short while before one of the 'imbeciles', in an idle hour, checks in on this forum.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Speaking of this Forum, one can imagine our French compatriots on calais.fr.com complaining in the other direction. Perhaps Capitaine Eglefin is complaining about why the French have stopped over 70% of people leaving, and that they "should be allowed to go to the UK if that is their wish."
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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I'd certainly be interested to see what Miel Stuart, Bouton or Mamie Slater Bizarre thought about it.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Je m'appelle Miel Stuart mais je ne peux pas acceder ce forum comme ca!
I tend to keep away from this subject because it gets some people so steamed up they even become violent as well as irrational. I'll give you an indication of what my friends and former colleagues in Calais say when the subject comes up.
There is a worldwide refugee problem incurred to a large extent by either climate change or aggressive intervention and hence forceable displacement by other countries (e.g Eritrea, Afghanistan, Iraq etc). Many have sought Europe as refuge but the UK is only a small destination of choice. Recent figures are approx. 38,000 UK, 162,000 Germany, 110,000 France. Greece has also been a major ingress country due to the much more frequently used routes across the Med. I checked this out further on a Cabinet Office briefing paper dated March 17th this year and it transpires that in 2019 we received 5 asylum applications per 10,000 residents as opposed to 14 per 10,000 across the EU.
France, like the UK, is a signatory to the 1951 UN convention. No country has ever abandoned its commitment to that convention (which is estimated to have saved millions of lives) but, of course, we are free to do so if we so wish. Miss Patel has that option. Perhaps we should petition her instead of moaning about the French. We are therefore obliged to consider every case presented to us. Under the convention there is no such thing as an illegal or bogus asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim. It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum. Finally, the 1951 Refugee Convention guarantees everybody the right to apply for asylum. There are no national restrictions.
As to crime prevention, they say that they are equally committed to ending the scourge of people trafficking as the UK is. However they point out that, like us, resources are limited. Every asylum seeker has the right to apply for refuge in France but if they chose not to, then what are they expected to do? They also reinforce the Cap'n's point that the only domestic law they are breaking is an ancient one involving taking to French territorial waters in an unsafe craft!
For intervention at sea, the convention means that once in UK waters they are our responsibility. There is no legal means by which we could send them back. Political asylum applies to those with a genuine fear of persecution which, once claimed, we are obliged to consider. Non-refoulement is a different matter. It is well known that some asylum seekers have refused to be returned to France when intercepted and have threatened to throw themselves into the 'oggin. Here, they will say that all countries have a separate legal obligation to save lives at sea as an absolute maritime priority. Whilst the majority do return to France when instructed to do so, there are occasions when the French costguards feel they have to escort them to a place of greater safety.
Coverage in the French press tends to reflect the above. They regard our government as misleading its population in terms of what is practical and achievable in the face of a worldwide refugee crisis.
Largely I tend to agree with most of the above in factual terms. That's why I found the sainted Natalie's pandering to the local populace on this matter rather nauseous. On a very personal note, the orthopeadic surgeon who fixed my smashed up left leg last autumn was an Iranian asylum seeker a long time ago so I tend not to be too judgmental.
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Brian Dixon
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Just withdraw from the 51 Convention.
It was set up specifically to deal with European Refugees post WW2.
It specifically excluded the problems with Indian Partition and 'Palestine'.
It has grown like Topsy.
UK was quite happy (before international travel became a 'thing') to accept a few
'brave' people fleeing Communism. It was part of the cold war and propaganda.
I well remember being called to Gatwick during the Tamil war. Three 747s, full of Singahelese and Tamils, all happy as Larry with each other, who had all managed to bribe the Sri Lankan staff to get out to the UK.
There's loadsa people with a 'well founded fear of persecution', how many do you fancy?
6000
600000
60000000 (the number of displaced persons?
Bluntly it's too big for me to care.
Sh1t happens. Always has done. Yup, pure chance made me here and who and where.
WTF should I waste my time on some sort of wierd existentialist guilt for something I have done absolutely nothing to bring about?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,070
Calm sea, preposterous voyage.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,101
The Home Office says there are currently around 64,000 people in asylum accommodation - including 13,000 in hotels.
2011 Census. Population Dover 28,156!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Hopefully the man from Eastbourne accused of the murder of the London teacher will not turn out to be an Albanian illegal immigrant given asylum.
Oh dear. He is.
Wonder if there's a Dover connection?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Captain Haddock wrote:Hopefully the man from Eastbourne accused of the murder of the London teacher will not turn out to be an Albanian illegal immigrant given asylum.
Oh dear. He is.
Wonder if there's a Dover connection?
There are bad apples in every crop, my fishy friend. I didn't see you rushing for the keyboard when Sarah Everard's murderer turned out to be a policeman with a Dover connection. Pathetic.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Azam Mangori. 2020. Murdering asylum applicant.
Khair Saadallah. 2021. Murdering (3) asylum applicant.
Do you really want me to carry on Googling?
Murdering people would appear to me much more a 'thing' amongst asylum applicants than the police or the general population?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus