howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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He was referring to rioters, who were attacking property and people in the streets of London!
There is no reference in his words to people who were not rioting.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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It does not matter whether he was referring to rioters or not, it was the word he used. How many times has he thought that about his black students or any other black person.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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It does matter, Jan, and how it maters!
It's exactly that which matters.
Keith Sansum1
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Bob Frost as many posters on here have indicated is a very educated geezer,
he knew full well when he made his racist comments that they were made to offend
with these comments comes fall out which he should have expected.
I'm sure the school with a varied nationalities at its school would be concerned as anyone would on how bob would judge them if they fell into his reckoning of being a jungle bunny(his words)
bob made a bad error of judgement and lets be clear it's not his first offence, he was salso excluded from this very forum for remarks he made and i think paulb was very patient to keep him as a member as long as he did.
This has nothing to do with P.C. BRIGADE as bob himself agreed when he most mortified over his comments, and immediatly removed them!!!!
so once is an error but this has been a duplication of comments, which of course is bob's right, but if you choose to make racist remarks then you have to also face the fall out from them.
Now the local conservatives in there enquiry can hardly keep bob on, but i suspect they will hope it will all blow over, but people wont forget, so its probably better they move quick and remove him, but of course thats a decision for them.
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Brian Dixon
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the pc brigade is a rasist comment in it's self.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well OK, Keith, the rioters were offended! Or others were offended on their account.
A shame that the riots started off with racist accusations against the Metropolitan Police!
I was offended by these accusations against our Police, whom I trust to ensure law and order.
If I report something, it is never on an ethnic basis. Our Police should be defended from hate-crime when someone accuses them of racist conduct in their duty, as happened on the days prior to the riots.
The riots were incited through an act of hate-crime against the Met Police aired publicly on TV.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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with respect alex i think you are losing the plot here.
i don't keith said anything about rioters being offended.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard,they did get offended,leaderless dave upset them.
now i've lost the plot to.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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My cousin lives on the Broadwater Farm Estate in N. London.
Her son was attacked by black youths whilst he was walking home on his own. He was stabbed and now his arm is completely useless where they caused permanent damage to the tendons.
My cousin is terrified as the whole area has become so violent, she and her husband are leaving and moving to Hertfordshire.
I'm afraid Bob Frost was largely correct the higher percentage of rioters were black youths and that isn't racism it is fact.
PC has gone mad when to state facts or criticise a community is racism, do we all sit back and say nothing?
Dave, I am so sorry to hear about your cousins son. Terrifying. I can't blame them for moving - how outrageous, though, to be hounded out of your home.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Not wishing to get involved in the rights or wrongs of Bobs comments, I feel very sad for anyone that loses their job. He will no doubt claim all his entitlements and JSA benefits.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Which sums it up, really. Not a simple matter (I nearly said a "black or white" matter!!!) by any means.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sorry to hear that dave but i don't think that the issue is one of political correctness, more about blanket statements.
tottenham has a high proportion of black people so most of the criminals and victims would black. i noticed in one of the riots in birmingham most of the rioters seemed to be of asian descent, no doubt the shops damaged and looted belonged to asians.
in other places it seemed to be more white people up to no good.
I suppose part of what Dave implies is that we need to be free to notice those things.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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That is correct Bern, we should have the right to express our views without the worry of being accused of racism. Statistics show that most violent crime is committed by the black community and yet if you mention that, and I just have, somebody is going to scream racist at you.
Howard you mention Tottenham having a high % of black people and that is possibly correct but there is a higher proportion of white people, look at the newsreel footage as the live broadcasts were filmed the higher proportion of rioters were black, why?
If somebody utters the words "jungle bunny" or "Paki" what do we do, sack them from their job suppress their right to express an opinion by fining them or throwing them in to prison, the black people i've met really aren't that sensitive.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Yes, we must notice and comment when things are wrong.
Black, brown, yellow, and any other tint are no more sensitive than white people.
Alexander playing devil's advocate again, the police are no more perfect than any other group they can make a mistake.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I think I must be totally missing something here, Jan.
That a police officer could make a mistake, was not up to discussion. Of-course it is possible.
We were talkiing of the riots in London, in Tottenham, to which Bob's comment refers.
The Police had been called in, prior to that evening, to deal with an armed man in the streets of London, who ended up shot.
Every day, it seems, Jan, the Police in London are having to deal with the results of knife carriers, and occasioally gun-carriers, and the brutal effects of their criminal activity.
I ask myself if you are read the news, Jan. Possibly some of us read diddrent news articles than others do.
The Polcie did not make a mistake when they intervened, and we don't even know how often Police action in London has prevented violent crime from actually happening.
Knife crime in London is carried out in the vast majority of cases by youths who are of minorities, as they are officially referred to.
As for Dave mentioning white people moving out of London, this has been happening since the 60's, owing to immigration.
Jan, when a gun or knife is pointed at a person, and there are no Police about, talking is useless. In London, many knife crimes are carried out by large groups who chase one single person through the streets, or corner him/her, and carry out a premeditated execution.
They usually know the person, their motivations are usually not made known to us by the press. Thiis is almost every-day life for the Met Police to deal with.
The bloke who got shot was carrying a rifle in the streets of London, that's all, Jan. The mistake was his, he was told to put it down.
I won't hang about arguing with you about it!
I am, it has to be said, thankful for small mercies.............
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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Could we also make blanket statements and say that most ethnic minorities live in the poorest and most underprivileged areas of this country.I resent what is being insinuated in this thread and that is not P.C.but me.