Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Well what do you think mr fencesitter?
I say Brown ruined the economy, do you agree or not?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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those halcyon days when gordon ruled and every day seemed like summer are but a distant memory, we shall not see the like of him again.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith's waiting for the fire brigade to help him get down
Howard, if you let me have your credit card I'd have a wonderful day out, that's Brown's economic tactics
Keith Sansum1
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to many cutbacks no fire persons around
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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You're safer on that fence anyway Keith.
It was your hero Denis Thatcher who said
Better to remain silent and let people think you're an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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didn't think it long before the moron/idiot posts back on here
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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To be fair Keith you do invite a bit of teasing, you claim never to sit on a fence but continually refuse to answer straight questions.
I put it down to 25 years as a councillor, say nothing, do even less.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
I'm all for teasing, but calling someone a moron goes well beyond that and then when questioned on it
your reply
don't care
wont withdraw it
you obviously know little about my time in politics
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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No I won't withdraw it and you know why.
You made an unfounded and scurrilous allegation for which you refused to apologise, I was simply responding.
It seems like the career politician you are you're very happy to give but not take, you don't hear me whining like a little girl.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
iM Certainly not anything like what you say
but hey, lets not let the facts get in the way
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Brian Dixon
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good game of ping pong here lads,but remember to keep your chin up at all times.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Chancellors of the Exchequer,Prime Ministers,Ministers all make mistakes,the continual propaganda against Gordon Brown is
over the top .....the Worlds Finances were going pear shape at the same time....Banks and Finance Johnnies were the main
cause ...and still are.David you must calm down,all your ducking and diving,twisting and turning when you receive answers
and then ask different questions is `old tactics`.......and you are once again sailing close to the wind with personal abuse.
Queensberry rules ....old chap..
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Reg, really you do have an amazing ability to ignore the facts that are not convenient.
Brown was without a doubt the worse Chancellor (and PM) we have had since the war, maybe ever.
The economy works in cycles and it does not take a genius to know that his conceited claim to have 'banned boom and bust' was absurd but he actually ran the economy as if he had and the 'good times'' could roll on forever.
Let us list the very specific errors he made that placed the UK in an intolerable position at the start of the slowdown in 2007....
....When introduced the failed tri-partied regulatory system he removed prudential controls from the banks forgetting what Mrs T said, that they are not 'ordinary' businesses.
...in giving the BoE independence and removed their role in bank regulation he gave them an inflation brief that excluded levels of debt from consideration when setting interest rates. The result a massive debt and housing bubble because rates were too low too long.
...he went on a spending spree from 2000 building a record deficit resulting in a structural deficit in 2005 onwards placing the UK finances is an appalling position for when the slowdown started.
Without the above the UK could have been well positioned to cope with the recession, more like Germany, Canada and New Zealand - instead he left us in the same kind of position as the weak southern European economies.
One good thing he did - he kept us out of the Euro though, otherwise we would be hit as badly now as Greece and Spain.
All of the above are without his other foul-ups.... sale of gold, pension reform (two goes at that...), cutting tax benefits for savings and how much people can save, taxing pension schemes etc etc etc....
Only one thing right in 13 years - a record that we must hope is never repeated
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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2 sides to this one then
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Actually the facts make it rather one-sided Keith.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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We still don't know what your side is Keith, you're still sitting on the fence.
My assertion is Brown trashed the economy, Barry happens to agree.
What do YOU think?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Reg doesn't agree
ed milliband and balls have already admitted they got things wrong
as have other labour geezers
as has mr cameron
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks for clearing that up keith.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Labour party policies are nothing more than fair trade ideas for the gullible. The same sort of folk who buy ecologically sound, low carbon footprint, fair wages for the poor down trodden workers chocolate are the same who fall for the ridiculous blue sky thinking from the sofas of the two Eds sofas back home in metrosexualland in North London.
Funny thing is that Balls is always described by political wonks as a rottweiler. No chance - He would last five seconds in some of the pubs I used to drink in back in planet London.
Bereft of ideas and clear thinking he reminds me of most conservative politicians and, of course, every liberal MP. Stupid with a herd mentality following the latest edict from central office in order to do the bidding of Dave the glorious leader who, of course, is the grand master of all things pointless and stupid.
Sorry but Ed Balls is stuck there in the seventies fighting yesteryears battles. Time has moved on Ed.
As for Osbourne well suffice it to say that anyone still under the mistaken belief that things are set to improve because of something he does are, well, deluded.
The political pack who represent us in Parliament really have no clue. No vision and are there to pack out the house when it's time to vote.
I mean it wouldn't surprise me if one day they voted en masse to increase our energy bills by a factor of two or three and then vote for the complete industrial collapse of the manufacturing sector. It wouldn't surprise me if these chumps voted for the shutdown of our vital energy sector in order to, erm, save the planet or something stupid....................
...............Oh! hang on.
