Guest 713- Registered: 19 Mar 2011
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I found this quite interesting: Beekeeping is illlegal under the New York City health code,because bees natuurally are inclinded to do harm.
You like so!!!!!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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"Despite intense secret lobbying by British ministers and chemical companies against the ban"
What clowns!
Brian Dixon
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well some one has a bee in there bonnet.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Bee-harming pesticides banned in Europe
EU member states vote ushers in continent-wide suspension of neonicotinoid pesticides
"Europe will enforce the world's first continent-wide ban on widely used insecticides linked to serious harm in bees, after a European commission vote on Monday.
The landmark suspension is a victory for millions of environment campaigners concerned about dramatic declines in bees who were backed by experts at the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA). But it is
a serious defeat for the chemical companies who make billions a year from the products and also
UK ministers - who voted against the ban. Both had argued the ban will harm food production...."
Full report...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/apr/29/bee-harming-pesticides-banned-europe Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
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just a thought,will the uk be included in this Europe wide ban.or will the government try and wiggle out of it again.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they normally let the bureaucrats walk all over them, they can be excused if they do this time.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Dear old Lord, here We go again. At least they're not blaming catastrophic, evil, sea level raising, polar bear destroying climate change for the demise of the humble bumble bee.
But, once again, the EU is up there in the forefront of the bed wetting vanguard banning something which they think is about to bring plague and pestilence to the World.
Let's ban newnics!
This follows in the footsteps of other panics which the EU demonstrate their Lance-Corporal Jack Jones tendency by sticking their collective heads in the sand and banning something which they consider to be a threat.
After Fukushima Germany set in motion the complete shutdown of their nuclear power sector (ironically only to replace those with coal fired power stations).
We all know about the Europe wide smoking ban because of the danger to life from.........PASSIVE SMOKING don't you know.
Bankers are evil so they want to pass a Tobin tax.
And now because of some spurious "peer reviewed" science they have banned newnics for two years.
Ah well that's grand so it is.
So We now have to expect increased spraying with Organophosphates and possible problems with crop yield over the next few years.
Oh! and let's not forget those evil Tories are set against the ban which compounds everyones' idea of the Tories as evil, Earth destroying capitalist pigs.
Ho hum, another day another scare.
Brian Dixon
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so your a humble bumble bee Eurosceptic then Philip,oh there is nothing wrong with passive smoking,ive lived on it for years.i'm getting my telegram next week from the queen.

Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"This is a do-it-yourself test for paranoia: you know you've got it when you can't think of anything that's your fault.
Robert M. Hutchins "
"Sometimes paranoia's just having all the facts.
William S. Burroughs "
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/paranoia.html
""If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
-Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow "
""Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you"
-Joseph Heller, Catch-22 2
""This is a mournful discovery.
1)Those who agree with you are insane
2)Those who do not agree with you are in power."
- Philip K. Dick, VALIS "
""Americans may say they love our accents (I have been accused of sounding 'like Princess Di') but the more thoughtful ones resent and rather dislike us as a nation and people, as friends of mine have found out by being on the edge of conversations where Americans assumed no Englishmen were listening.
And it is the English, specifically, who are the targets of this. Few Americans have heard of Wales. All of them have heard of Ireland and many of them think they are Irish. Scotland gets a sort of free pass, especially since Braveheart re-established the Scots' anti-English credentials among the ignorant millions who get their history off the TV."
-Peter Hitchens"
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/paranoiaIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have a confession to make here, yesterday afternoon whilst spraying weedkiller on my crop of dandelions i inadvertently covered a bee with it.
he/she did fly off but i suspects its health was seriously effected - the eu were not responsible for my actions.
Brian Dixon
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tom,paranoia is all in the mind,schizophrenia is the next step,but hey who cares you will never alone with it.

howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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all the merry quips about paranoia remind me of the chap that went to see a shrink and complained that everyone hated him. the doctor leaned forward and in a kindly tone replied "nonsense my friend - not everyone's met you yet".
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Tom, You are either a very fast typist or you have spent hours copy and pasting that last post for use at some time in the future.
I can't imagine why you raise the rather serious issue of paranoia in terms of this most basic of issues with the bee blight but I suppose after all is said and done to have ones' faith in scientists tested is really rather a painful experience much like if one is of a religious persuasion and finds the faith tested.
Bee population decline can be traced back to the nineteenth century well before newnics were invented.
Ironically I did hear one of the government scientists blame global warming for the bee decline as opposed to newnics.
So all you fellow scientists what is causing this present problem with the bee population - newnics or climate change?
Ha ha ha Oh what a quandry - climate change or newnics, newnics or climate change?
Deniers on both sides. You could not make this stuff up.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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philip
are you saying that if bees are all killed off life will just go on as ever?
whether by newnics, climate change or clumsy buggers like me is irrelevant.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Great news! The votes are in. Bee-killer pesticides are going to be suspended across Europe
for the next two years. Bees can breathe a sigh of relief. ​
Sadly our environment minister, Owen Paterson, voted against the ban. But enough other
countries voted in favour and the vote was won. ​
38 Degrees members have been working hard to protect our bees. Here are some of the highlights: ​
- Over 300,000 of us signed the petition to ban these pesticides
- Over 40,000 of us emailed our MPs
​- In the environment minister's constituency, in North Shropshire, over 50 local 38 Degrees members
came face to face with him to deliver the petition and demand he changed his mind.
- Hundreds of 38 Degrees members joined up with a host of other campaign organisations to hold
a 'March of the Beekeepers' in Parliament square. ​
Thank you for being part of all this Phillip................
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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No Philip, all done rather spur-of-the-moment.
Alas, science does not seem to be made of the same stuff as of old. I cannot separate what I think of the science used here with bees and the introduction of calculators into school arithmetic.
It strikes me that much of the working-out is lost in translation. The use of modelling also is concerning, to me anyway, and the way models can be adapted to suit circumstances and assumed adequate (or supported through some rather dubious cross referencing) to the current work at hand.
Plus, can we afford not to follow the money?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#32, another in the same vein: 'the doctor called me in yesterday to discuss my wife's Tourette's problem. After a five minute chat he assured me that all was well, on the basis that I really am a t**t and definitely do need to f*** off.'
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Strange how some see a conspiracy where there is none.
Just because I'm sceptical about the effect of newnics on the plight of the bee it doesn't mean that I've got it in for the bee species as a whole. Quite the reverse is true.
Without the bee We would all starve. The human species would die out within years.
The issue I have is simply that I am not convinced that newnics are the cause of the problem but some choose to use this issue to bash Cameron and the Tories in general.
I'm not immune to seeing the Tories for what they are but at least I choose to use sensible examples of their shortcomings rather than a slightly schoolboyish tendency to use the bee issue to do it.
It's all so silly really and if and when You find your food bills going up I know who everyone will blame - Why it's the TORIES!
They, they, they erm, they must be to blame because, erm.......
As for the militant environmentalist nutjobs who call themselves 38 degrees they can be best be described as 180 degrees wrong.
They merely represent the collective whinging internet brigade where something must be done or We're all doomed.
Check out the list of their campaigns to realize their odd mindset:
http://www.38degrees.org.uk/campaignsGuest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Blimey if more proof were needed that the environmentaloons were responsible for the decision to ban newnics in Europe look no further than what one of their flock said tonight on Newsnight when the topic was featured.
Heidi Herrmann from the "Natural bee keeping trust", when questioned, admitted that She would look forward to the total banning of all insecticides.
Phew!
What a decidedly odd world We live in.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Many important subjects are above Politics..............this is one of them....
Ban on nerve-agent pesticides is another reason to welcome
At last, some real progress in the fight against the nerve-agent pesticides widely blamed
for the worldwide devastation of bee populations. Despite frenetic lobbying by companies that
produce the chemicals, the European Commission yesterday imposed a two-year ban on the
use of the neonicotinoids on any crops beloved by bees.
Not a moment too soon
. Bees are not only wonderful in themselves, they are also vital for the pollination of any number
of food crops. Pesticide-makers may claim that the case is unproven, but even the possibility
of a link between human activity and the collapse in bee numbers should prompt a change of course.
How disappointing, then, that Britain was one of those that voted against. We can only be grateful
that, elsewhere in Europe, better sense prevails.
And grateful, too, that the EU ban applies here as much as anywhere.