Keith Sansum1
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For those of you that do read my postings now and again, I note that the government is again intent on killing innocent badgers in the hope of getting to the bottom of the problems prresently caused.
Of course there are leading scientists out there who are clerly stating the disease does not start from badgers and could quite easily come from a domestic animal.
So the killing of badgers is probably not the best way forward.
Then there are oher leading scientists who say that the badgers will just to alternative sites and so the problem will be(if there is one) moved rather than solved.
25 years ago i became involved with the dartmoor badgers protection league
and the east kent badgers protection league
to lobby to save badgers
this was after saying politics wasnt for me
and my dad telling mre i would never make a cllr(he was probably right lol)
what do others think?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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the evidence of badgers being responsible for bovine t.b. is inconclusive.
there is no way an animal that is high in the national consciousness should be slaughtered under these terms.
i have never actually seen one though i was told that there is a sett at the westmount building site
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Until there is absolute proof that it is the badgers that are infecting the cattle with TB the cull seems very drastic. Killing the badgers seems the easy way out to me, why not test them and if they are clear let them live and just cull the infected ones.
I heard an expert the other day saying that the cleared areas will just get other (possibly infected) badgers moving in from adjacent areas, so a waste of time and more importantly innocent lives.
All boils down to money, cheaper and easier to kill than to inoculate.
Labour and Tory governments have backed this plan, shame on both of them.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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We were told a week ago that it didn't apply to Kent, only to counties which had a lot of dairy herds. That's good.
It is time a vaccine was developed.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought there was a vaccine but farmers did not want to shell out for it.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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There is a vaccine but as I said it all boils down to money.
I would have thought the RSPCA could afford to do it if they felt inclined but they have been very quiet on the subject.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It's bovine TB for goodness sake, that means something to do with cows. If they give it to badgers, then it's the badgers who have a valid beef.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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All the official info here for you shaving brush huggers to get worked up about (it's a joke, honest
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http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-diseases/a-z/bovine-tb/Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"valid beef", ho-ho-ho. Peter.
Yes the idea of a vaccine was spoken of during the last mass cull of cattle. Funnily enough the 'good' argument at that time against vaccination ran along the same lines as the 'not so good' argument for not planting GM crops. That we are an island and uniquely positioned to maintain clean stock.
I read too that the incidence of BTB is falling in NI where they do no more than keep a closer eye on cattle movements.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Isn't it also a problem (info gleaned from TV but I must read all my own link above though it's a lot to take in!) that once you give a vaccine the cattle have antibodies to TB which can't be distinguished from antibodies due to an infection, so under EU rules they can't be sold for human consumption - sorry, UKIP alert!!, UKIP alert!!
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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A few months ago one was hit by a car in Snargate street, it survived the night but had to be put down the next day, I have never seen one in that area before.
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Perhaps it was on its way to join the demo against live animal exports.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Tom, do they have badgers in Ireland?
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I suppose it's just as well to get more than one viewpoint Ray...
http://www.bovinetb.co.uk/article.php?category_id=3&article_id=48Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
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there are some at the top of millatry hill,around st.martins battery.often seen struting there stuff after dark,bleeding pesky things they are.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Tom, agreed, and I did preface my link as the 'official info'
I did find it very strange watching cattle testing on Countryfile I think that the definitive test for bovine TB is to measure the size of a lump produced at the site of an injection, not a very precise process.
I notice at the bottom of your link - 'However, the stumbling block is now the EU procedures, which, we are told, will not be completed until 2015!' Another UKIP alert!!!!!!!!!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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JAN;
Im not blaming this government, i blame ALL governments.
to indicate this when that now famous (for the wrong reasons) elliot morley MP(labour)
was the shadow minister i lobbied him when he visited dover he, like most politicians said if labour got into power it woul be stopped
once in government i wrote to him, And he found every excuse possible to not stop the innocent killings.
Whilst this govt has a track record of being happy with animal cruelty
past govts give the impression they are, when in fact once they get into the corridors of power they get sucked in.
because of the cruelty on badgers and other animals I don't feel it a good idea to make public where badgers or other anmals can be found.
Although im happy to share info with genuine posters should they e mail me
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Keith - as you say, it is NOT a good idea to publicise where the badgers are, there is still a lot of unscrupulous badger hunting goes on. And there are a lot of badgers around.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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yes, i have information where many sites are, and where badgers go
but as you say kath others are not so kind
so best not to on side a site as this
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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I heard some time ago that TB does not affect herds which graze on more organic (i.e not riddled with pesticide) grass as the clover which grows amongst the grass provides a natural resistance for the cows. I know a local, organic, free range, beef producer who has not had any traces of TB in the herd. Could it be that intensive farming is the culprit rather than the badger?