Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 January 2011
15:2988418This is a short and easy to read article on an important topic.
Read and discuss...
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2011/01/charlie-elphicke-mp-where-will-jobs-and-growth-come-from.html
It clearly shows the total failure of Labour's Future Jobs Fund, targetting as it did larger businesses and why the coalition is focussing on apprenticships to benefit smaller businesses, at a much lower per-capita cost.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
16:0288424thanks for drawing our attention to this article barry, an interesting read.
only time will tell if the current measures will bring about full emplyment, a couple of interesting comments from others on the blog.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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10 January 2011
17:1488447Yes an interesting read. I think it has always been known that small buinesses supply a vast amount of jobs and all well and good too. We did ourselves in our business years....when times were good. The problem is that small businesses are very prone to downturns..and can shed staff quicker than greased lightning. At the core of stable employment in any community should be large businesses...large businesses that can withstand dips, and spawn satellite businesses around them, so that all can thrive together.
Small businesses alone will not be the answer to Dover's lack of wealth, lack of jobs. If somehow we could get a large employer to come here our general wealth would pick up considerably. Although Im probably stating the obvious.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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10 January 2011
17:2288449So what we see again on that blog is talk and more talk.
Brian Dixon
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10 January 2011
17:2788454poo,more poo and stincky poo he wrights.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
17:3188456i take it that you are not giving the article your full seal of approval brian?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
17:3388457howard,you are correct.and by the way i was being polite there.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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10 January 2011
18:0888463Vic, a blog is by definition just talk. Your UKIP thread has become Vic's Blog. Brian your post #5 qualifies you to chair the Year 1 debating society.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1
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10 January 2011
18:1188464peter
im all for encouraging people to post.
on the man himself(charles)
it's an option, one of many that shoud be considered
dont knock charlie boy for trying.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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10 January 2011
18:2688465Yes Keith I am also all in favour of as many people as possible posting. But let's keep it slightly respectful, I don't think a sentence of eight words (3 of them poo) with two spelling mistakes really adds much to the debate.
Charlie is right in his analysis. His statistics are reasonable enough to be believed. PaulB is right in that we need a blend of different sized employers and I don't think that differs too much with Charlie's view of the world.
Where there are differences of view, they tend to be on what the role of government is. Left-leaning people expect Government to 'do something' to create jobs; right-leaning people expect the government to lower the barriers to investment so that jobs can be created in the private sector.
Unfortunately the Government has no more of our money with which to create more jobs.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
18:3088467i thought that brian was quite restrained in his critical appraisal, he could have completely dissed it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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10 January 2011
18:3288469peter
big employers dont have to come from the public sector
there re good and bad examples of the public sector
just as there is with the private sector.
small or large Dover is overdue a boost.
and it doesnt matter who idea it was, or combination of ideas,
what matters is that they don't just remain words.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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10 January 2011
18:4588473Howard, you are the diplomat to end all diplomats!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 January 2011
18:4788474PaulB - it has been well known for quite sometime that Dover's weakness is in the lack of medium sized employers. There are plenty of small, some large with that middle ground lacking. The blog of Charlie's refers to SME's, small AND middle sized companies, so he is right on the button for Dover.
Sad that some posters, Brian and Vic, could not make intelligent comments on such an important subject.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
18:5588477talking seriously here(which is difficult as i am still chuckling over brian's post) i would go for one very large employer, folkestone have saga for example, something like a big insurance company or a mail order company.
the larger organisations usually have job opportunities to suit all levels.
at present any school leaver with a few a levels that isn't going to riot(sorry go to university) has very few options and they have to look further afield for fruitful employment.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 January 2011
19:1588485The figures for that Future Jobs Fund are not correct; I know because I'm working on work-placement/work-experience funded by FJF.
It doesn't have to be a minmum of 30 jobs and it doesn't cost £7,500 per job.
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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10 January 2011
19:3288488We used to have a very large employer in East Kent and everything in the garden was rosy. That was the National Coal Board.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
19:3688490roger
can you flesh out the details of the scheme please?
most of us just assumed the figures we were given to be correct.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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10 January 2011
19:4488492I've commented before that I view it as a failure on the part of succesive governments of all hues that East Kent has been allowed to decline. Whereas other parts of the country have seen concerted efforts co-ordinated by central government to compensate for the loss of traditional industries - agriculture, coal mining and tourism - that has been sadly lacking in East Kent. Successive governments have lumped us in with the "prosperous South East" and have failed to address the skills agenda here in East Kent. We have a huge student population at two universities in Canterbury but when they graduate there are no jobs for them. That's a huge waste of talent.
The high speed rail link is a key part of reversing that decline, but it needs more concerted effort to market the potential of East Kent as a place to do business. And it needs support from central government. Perhaps our elected representatives at Westminster should campaign for a government department to be relocated to East Kent. They'd save a lot of tax payers' money and send a powerful signal that East Kent was a good place to relocate.
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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10 January 2011
19:4488493Well its nice to report that Megger have just taken on some youngsters full time BarryW son being one of them
