Basques. Not the slinky lady variety. Ooh, just the thought.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian, why do you think that Britain is better off within the EU ?
It can't be because of wars
It can't be because we're better off
It can't be because of legislation
It can't be because of taxation
It can't be because of the judicairy (their's over our's)
What can it be ?
Roger
Brian Dixon
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roger,economic growth would be one thought.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian can you please show some figures that prove your point alongside estimates of what would happen if were were still a member of EFTA instead. Or are you just guessing?
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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As a born and bred Dovorian I consider myself English first and foremost, not British. I speak English, not British, except when I'm talking Rubbish!! Nor do I consider myself a European, but then most Europeans I have contact with don't consider me European either. If I get stopped by law enforcement agencies in France or Belgium and have to show them my passport the usual comment is "ah you are eenglish", as if that's some sort of disease.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not many people consider themselves british nowadays, always used to be the word.
now most of us claim english as our nationality.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Howie
I am a dual national holding both British and Polish passports with the option of Irish citizenship through my grandfather Murphy. Not sure what I consider myself 'as' .....answers on a postcard card please....
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
European Marek. We are all Europeans by dint of living in that continent.
English nationalism is coming more to th fore because of the dumbass government who gave in to a bunch of political extremists who would love nothing better than to break up the UK.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,do your own reshearch and find out your self.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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In other words you have no basis for your claim, Brian.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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English, Sid. I don't live in Europe, that's a continent 20-odd miles from my house. Near enough for me to take an interest in and speak two of the languages (to varying degrees of intelligibility!), near enough for me to pay frequent visits to and near enough for me to appreciate the culture, but not my home. In exactly the same way as Jacques from Calais lives close enough to England to appreciate the same virtues in my homeland as I do his, but France is still his home.
I sing 'God Save The Queen', he sings 'La Marseillaise'. We are not brother Europeans and never will be, despite what Brussels may decree. Any pretence that we are all one big happy Euro family is nonsense - witness how willing the Germans and French are to help out Greece, which is deep in the soft and smelly. If we want to be a member of some huge trade organisation that could challenge the might of the American and Australasian economies, that's a different kettle of fish to being part of a federal superstate with our sovereignty handed over to Brussels.
I don't mind being called 'British' - after all, I live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but European? No thank you very much.
True friends stab you in the front.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting to see angela merkel, the german chancellor getting the chequebook out of her handbag today to send money to the undeserving poor of greece.
i wonder what the tax paying citizens of germany think when they see their money going to someone who has got skint by living the high life?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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andy
i always thought that european was our racial grouping.
in the apartheid days in south africa "europeans only" signs were there for the benefit of afrikaaners, most of whom had probably never seen europe.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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I still view Europe as I did in geography class many years ago, as a number of independant countries, with their independant people, currencies, culture, heritage, and traditional ways of life associated with them. The way forward is to be all one, but not at the moment, and certainly not the way the euro fatcat`s are going about it. Rule Britannia, Viva la France, Deutchland uber alles et al.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you are speaking politically colin, i am only referring to ethnicity.
for example someone in rwanda may see themselves as a hutu or tutsi, bu they are still african.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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tut tut barryw you want me to give away trade secrets,you should know better.