Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I am totally with you on this Howard.
Iran is a threat and an aggressive one at that and poses massive risks. I really do not believe that a conflict with Iran would be about oil but more about an unstable belligerent country with nukes.
hat said, I certainly have no problems if it were to be about oil. We need the stuff and must ensure stable supplies to the west. We have enough economic problems and energy problems without danger to our oil supplies.
Brian Dixon
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barry/howard,all hot air and no trousers.if the gezzer was true to his word he would have done it by now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not that simple brian, the weapons have not been completed yet, the international atomic energy agency is in the throes of publishing a new report.
this body was set up 40 years ago to promote nuclear energy for peaceful purposes and are decidely neutral. they have been warning for some time that they have doubts about iran's intentions.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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what ever intentions they have,they certanly got people scard.but the question is,is it worth spending billions of pounds to go and kick his arse.
Ross Miller
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I would question if Iran really is the "most dangerous" country
Has it flouted international law regularly and systematically over the last 65 years?
Has it consistently ignored UN resolutions especially Security Council resolutions it dislikes?
Has it exported its brand of democracy to other countries sometimes forcibly?
Has it openly deposed governments it dislikes?
Has it regularly supported oppressive dictators who flout basic human rights because they are "their kind of guy"?
No I didnt think so, however the US and its supporters and client states (UK, Israel, Indonesia, Guatemala, Columbia, El Salvador, Philippines to name but a few) nost certainly have.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Jan Higgins
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Ross
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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A noble endeavour Ross from the protector of western freedom. There are very good reasons for all you say going right back to the Cold War and stopping the advance of communism.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,communism is closer than you think,only 25 miles away.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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You do surprise me Barry. Communism an 'advance'. Well I never.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the difference with iran is that they have stated openly that they want the destruction of the state of israel and would do it by any means,.
should a nuclear attack take place on them then the americans would follow retaliate immediately leading to the prospect of a nuclear holocaust.
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Maybe if politicians sons and daughters went to war they wouldnt be so keen on starting them. The thought of instant sunshine all over the middle east is terrifying.
beer the food of the gods
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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very true tom the children of the the leaders of the worlds biggest terrorist groups are usually sent abroad to be brought up and educated in safety.
the children of the poor are the ones that are brainwashed into becoming suicide bombers.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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During the Kuwait war opposition and separatist groups in Iraq were left to their own devices by the Western powers that had encouraged them. Instead a country with a Christian foreign minister and a high percentage of women in education was later invaded and destabilised. Instead of supporting dissent and forcing an internal power change thousands were killed, maimed and set adrift from their country.
In Libya Western powers have bombed a rebel faction into power, and we wait to see if the country hangs together or falls apart, while an upraising in Syria against an equally brutal regime has been denied any dubious assistance.
Iran has a very vocal opposition and opposing factions and yet there is nothing as likely to quell dissent and polarise a population as much as an external threat.
JFK once said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
He also said, "We cannot expect that all nations will adopt like systems, for conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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Is it wise for Britain to become militarily involved in this?
Our finances are low and conditioned by debt, our Defence capabilities have been reduced through spending cuts.
Would it not be wiser for Israel to ask Russia to mediate with Iran, as Russia supplied the technology to Iran to process nuclear energy.
The Russian state is Israel-friendly, and a million Israelis speak Russian.